[Tagging] Have our tagging voting rules changed recently?

Michael Montani michael.montani at un.org
Tue Aug 25 14:07:30 UTC 2020

Dear all,

I'm the author of the proposal of natural=bare_soil<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Ground>. I didn't expect this modification to the voting process would have (correctly) raised this issue. As you can imagine and guessed, the motivation was to convey negative consensus to useful information to make the proposal better (not to make the opposition votes become agreement ones).

I have been biased by the fact I saw the very same sentence in a past voting proposal, even if unfortunately I cannot recall which one right now...

Thank you and sincere apologies,

Da: Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
Inviato: martedì 4 agosto 2020 10:14
A: Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
Cc: Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at tutanota.com>; Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
Oggetto: Re: [Tagging] Have our tagging voting rules changed recently?

To be more clear:
in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/Ground&diff=2018441&oldid=2018440

I removed
"Any opposition vote without reason or suggestion will not be counted in the voting process."
as it is an undiscussed modification of a proposal voting and a refusal to follow instructions
on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process#Voting

Opposition votes without reason or suggestion are still valid and will be counted.

Though asking such voters for feedback/explanation is OK and it is
preferable to explain your vote.

Aug 4, 2020, 10:10 by tagging at openstreetmap.org:
I partially reverted
and followed

Note that
"People should not just vote "oppose", they should give a reason for their proposal, and/or (preferably) suggestions."

is suggested at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process#Voting
and that it is not a new addition, but still pure "no"
vote are valid ones.

Aug 4, 2020, 09:57 by frederik at remote.org:

looking at the "bare_soil" proposal I was surprised to read:

"Any opposition vote without reason or suggestion will not be counted in
the voting process."

Is that something that we have added by consensus?

It sounds like a somewhat sneaky measure to ignore opposition votes, or
discourage those who cannot properly express their opposition in English
from voting in the first place. It also raises the question of what
requirements there are for a "reason or suggestion". If I vote no with a
reason "it stinks", will there then be someone who says "ah, this is not
a valid reason" and strips me of my vote? Who will that person be?

Has this been used in other votes in the past? I'm tempted to say it
would invalidate any vote but maybe it *is* indeed based on consensus
and I missed that.


Frederik Ramm ## eMail frederik at remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

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