[Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

Peter Elderson pelderson at gmail.com
Sun Aug 30 09:40:03 UTC 2020


I suggest: role transfer for the transfer part.

The transfer part could be a route separate relation in a superroute, the
transfer type is given by the relation route type.
The transfer part could be a way or a chain of ways in a regular oute
relation, the transfer type is then determined by the tags of the ways.
editors, QA-tools and datausers would have to handle the role.

It fits in nicely with the accepted roles for recreational routes,
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roles_for_recreational_route_relations


Best, Peter Elderson


Op zo 30 aug. 2020 om 11:26 schreef Francesco Ansanelli <francians at gmail.com
>:

> Dear Polyglot,
>
> it sounds good to me. But what roles do you suggest for such superroute?
> Many thanks
> Francesco
>
> Il giorno dom 30 ago 2020 alle ore 11:00 Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> ha
> scritto:
>
>> How would you feel about mapping it with a superroute relation?
>>
>> The superroute would then contain 3 route relations.
>>
>> 1 for the first part by bicycle
>> 1 for the middle part by train
>> 1 for the last part by bicycle
>>
>> If we give the train part a different role in the superroute, we can make
>> it such that the continuity line in JOSM is still drawn.
>>
>> This solution might also work to indicate that certain parts of a bicycle
>> route need to be done on foot. Although creating separate route relations
>> for such short stretches may feel like overkill.
>>
>> The other 'interruption' of a bicycle route I can think of, is where a
>> ferry needs to be taken. In theory this could also be a funicular. In
>> Antwerpen there is a special bus service that takes cyclists through a
>> tunnel under river Schelde (for commuters, where a ferry was abolished,
>> it's unlikely we'll create a route relation for this, but not
>> impossible/unthinkable).
>>
>> In JOSM PT_Assistant there will soon be a convenience button to extract
>> route relations from route or superroute relations, to make a conversion
>> from route to superroute+route relations easier to do.
>>
>> Polyglot
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 9:59 AM Francesco Ansanelli <francians at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> a new example that could benefit of this proposal:
>>>
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10605853
>>>
>>> Can someone please go ahead and make a proposal?
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>> Best regards
>>> Francesco
>>>
>>> Il mer 24 giu 2020, 23:25 Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com> ha
>>> scritto:
>>>
>>>> For the record, I think a transfer role is a generic solution  for the
>>>> issue raised here, applicable to the cable car transfer and other types of
>>>> transfer in routes, but I will not propose a new role value any time soon.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone who wants to do it has my support, though.
>>>>
>>>> Vr gr Peter Elderson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Op za 20 jun. 2020 om 09:13 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer <
>>>> dieterdreist at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sent from a phone
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 20. Jun 2020, at 01:58, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Normal OSM access is assumed to be access=yes, where some access is
>>>>> restricted then in OSM it should be marked *=no.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> for roads access=yes is assumed, it is not necessarily the default for
>>>>> all kind of features.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers Martin
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