[Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

[Jo]

I uploaded my way to solve this:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11560387

Polyglot

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 12:03 PM Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Francesco,
>
> I will create the superroute and route relations as an example. If you
> don't like the solution, feel free to remove those relations again
> afterwards. I will only fix a small error in the original relation, but
> keep it for now, so both solutions can be analysed next to each other.
>
> I don't really like the idea of a role 'transfer' on all those railway
> ways in a single route relation. In the case of your example, there is only
> a single railway, but in theory there could be one for each direction of
> travel of the train. So if you want to describe that in the route relation,
> you would need role forward/backward in the route relation, which cannot be
> combined with role transfer.
>
> Jo
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 11:24 AM Francesco Ansanelli <francians at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Polyglot,
>>
>> it sounds good to me. But what roles do you suggest for such superroute?
>> Many thanks
>> Francesco
>>
>> Il giorno dom 30 ago 2020 alle ore 11:00 Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> ha
>> scritto:
>>
>>> How would you feel about mapping it with a superroute relation?
>>>
>>> The superroute would then contain 3 route relations.
>>>
>>> 1 for the first part by bicycle
>>> 1 for the middle part by train
>>> 1 for the last part by bicycle
>>>
>>> If we give the train part a different role in the superroute, we can
>>> make it such that the continuity line in JOSM is still drawn.
>>>
>>> This solution might also work to indicate that certain parts of a
>>> bicycle route need to be done on foot. Although creating separate route
>>> relations for such short stretches may feel like overkill.
>>>
>>> The other 'interruption' of a bicycle route I can think of, is where a
>>> ferry needs to be taken. In theory this could also be a funicular. In
>>> Antwerpen there is a special bus service that takes cyclists through a
>>> tunnel under river Schelde (for commuters, where a ferry was abolished,
>>> it's unlikely we'll create a route relation for this, but not
>>> impossible/unthinkable).
>>>
>>> In JOSM PT_Assistant there will soon be a convenience button to extract
>>> route relations from route or superroute relations, to make a conversion
>>> from route to superroute+route relations easier to do.
>>>
>>> Polyglot
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 9:59 AM Francesco Ansanelli <francians at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> a new example that could benefit of this proposal:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10605853
>>>>
>>>> Can someone please go ahead and make a proposal?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Francesco
>>>>
>>>> Il mer 24 giu 2020, 23:25 Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com> ha
>>>> scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> For the record, I think a transfer role is a generic solution  for the
>>>>> issue raised here, applicable to the cable car transfer and other types of
>>>>> transfer in routes, but I will not propose a new role value any time soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone who wants to do it has my support, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vr gr Peter Elderson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Op za 20 jun. 2020 om 09:13 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer <
>>>>> dieterdreist at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sent from a phone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On 20. Jun 2020, at 01:58, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Normal OSM access is assumed to be access=yes, where some access is
>>>>>> restricted then in OSM it should be marked *=no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for roads access=yes is assumed, it is not necessarily the default
>>>>>> for all kind of features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers Martin
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