[Tagging] RFC - Hazards - Pedestrian hazard

[Brian M. Sperlongano]

Ah yes, I temporarily forgot that we have other street view sites!  Thank
you for that subtle nudge.

I pulled up this [1] example at random, which is tagged in the map with
hazard=cyclists (on a stretch of way).  I assume this means (in this
specific case) "cyclists enter the roadway 100m ahead".  Next randomly
selected example [2] in Poland is a spot where a signed bike lane ends and
cyclists begin sharing the road with cars.

Now admittedly, 239 usages is a tiny amount of existing usage, but the way
I've described it in the proposal seems consistent with how mappers have
actually used this tag so far (bike in road hazards).  I also recently
changed over the example image in the proposal to a MUTCD-style "share the
road with bicycles" sign, which is a less ambiguous descriptor than the
red-triangle-with-a-bicycle variants.

I tend to favor formalizing existing usage rather than inventing new tags,
as well as more concise tags instead of verbose ones.  If there is a
consensus that hazard=cyclists will be misused if approved and documented,
we can change it to something invented like hazard=cyclists_in_road.  If
there isn't a consensus on what to do with this value, I would just drop
this particular value from the proposal as a future problem in order to
approve the set of tags that we all agree on!

[1]
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=49.31666000000001&lng=8.407069999999976&z=18&focus=photo&pKey=BoYvMnLxXMr0KaUmIDPxhg
[2]
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=53.50421582735714&lng=14.477556379223921&z=17&focus=photo&pKey=aaBuvm_A9utc1PYDRyGyXw&x=0.5085941428184124&y=0.5962547075134255&zoom=0

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 6:45 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> sent from a phone
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> > On 7. Dec 2020, at 00:17, Brian M. Sperlongano <zelonewolf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > The largest existing use of hazard=cyclists is in Germany.  There is no
> Google StreetView in Germany
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> of course there is
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> > , but from the small number examples [1] I looked at, it seems like this
> tag is being used for "cyclists in the road" hazards and not "cyclist
> crossings"
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> I have looked it up, and until 2013 the sign was called “crossing
> cyclists” while it is now called “cyclists”. It is typically set up before
> bicycle crossings or before a separate  cycleway merges with the road.
>
> Cheers Martin
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