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[Anders Torger]

(Sorry if I missed a private message. I have a generic filter that 
throws all emails that match tagging in some way to one mailbox and 
sometimes I miss things.)

Anyway, I'm talking about globally distributed open source projects, 
where you communicate in text over email and forums. Not a workplace. 
It's very different ways of communicating, and it always looks harsher 
than it is. You probably have a whole different view of me than you 
would have if we met in person. But point is taken, and I have noted 
that discussions go south here a lot quicker than I'm used to, and 
indeed that's ineffective. I'll try to provide a softer tone, because 
what I want really want is solutions to the issues.

I guess one issue with my appearances here is that in my humble opinion 
many things in OSM are problematic, mostly a result of that it has 
piecewise evolved rather than it has had a solid design leadership, and 
it's got some growing pains. I've hidden that view poorly mainly because 
many issues I run into I think would have been non-issues if it has been 
more of a top-down design for a baseline feature set focusing on actual 
end uses. I now understand that this view is very provocative though, so 
I'll try to tone it down.

I personally want to see that the community work for a more defined 
mapping baseline with OSM-Carto as a strong reference, used as a 
motivational tool for crowd-sourcing, and as it is with the current 
provider landscape -- also work as an end product. It does in parts 
already, and I want to see more of that. I also got a sense of urgency, 
map density in OSM has improved a lot, data sources that a mapper has 
access too has also improved a lot since OSM started, so mappers can 
today map much more than they could before and are more motivated to do 
so, at least in some places in the world. I want the OSM technical 
platform to be ready for that.

/Anders

On 2020-12-21 11:55, stevea wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2020, at 2:10 AM, Anders Torger <anders at torger.se> wrote:
>> I'm sorry if you experience it as that. Maybe I'm a bit too 
>> confrontational, and maybe I should express myself with a softer tone, 
>> I guess my style has become a bit shaped by to how we communicate 
>> engineer to engineer in programming projects.
> 
> Anders, I’ve been an employee at Apple, Adobe and many startups (in
> Silicon Valley and my university city nearby on the coast), as an
> engineer, to other engineers.  I have been a team leader, a manager
> and a director — on dozens of programming projects.  I DON’T “guess”
> at your style and if you worked with me I’d give you as stern a
> talking to behind a closed door, just the two of us.  That’s not as I
> do here on-list, precisely because YOU chose the more public venue,
> but also because you don’t answer my polite, private email.