[Tagging] natural=fell not rendered, alternatives?

[Anders Torger]

Good points.

I think Norway and Sweden is quite well-known for good maps for hikers 
in the mountains (at least we think so ourselves :-) ), but indeed those 
do not require as quick updates as there's not much changing out there 
and so far no craftbeer on the top of Kebnekaise mountain. But maybe its 
coming... :-). I have no doubt though that if we could make a good 
baseline outdoor map which works as a drop-in replacement for the 
government maps, we could get more contributions that surpass what 
official sources can provide, such as various climbing routes. That's my 
dream, and one reason I started to map national parks. However if the 
base map lacks important base features, eg names in the nature or proper 
generalization, the map is considered less relevant for these areas and 
people won't contribute in the same way.

I also agree with your other points, but it does boil down to that I 
need to do a lot of work :-O. On the other hand it's much easier to get 
things done when you have a small community that can agree on the goals, 
than most energy being spent on trying to convince each-other if a goal 
is even worthwhile to pursue or not, and making people upset in the 
process, which I myself have been guilty of. It's energy-draining for 
all of us.

I've seen the large fragmentation in OSM, all those small private 
projects here and there, as a problem. Not the projects as such, those 
are great, many great and interesting ideas, but most seem disconnected 
from the main community and as such few make it back into mainline, but 
instead goes unmaintained and eventually peters out when the authors 
move on to other projects. But what to do if the things you want doesn't 
really fit into what OSM currently is and strives to be... I'll think 
about it over Christmas. I've invested way more time in OSM during the 
fall than I initially planned to. Mapping is dangerous, it's easy to get 
hooked ;-).

/Anders

On 2020-12-21 15:09, Tomas Straupis wrote:
> 2020-12-21, pr, 15:54 Anders Torger rašė:
>> A local renderer would be limited in use <...>
> 
>   Not necessarily ;-)
>   1. It could be a practical/visual proof of a "better way".
>   2. It could be a testing ground for finding solutions to some
> international (wider than OSM, say ICA) cartographic problems.
>   3. If enough local communities create cartographic data schemas,
> they could technically align them (tagging-cartographic maillist?) and
> then data consumers would have to adopt to that as well.
>   4. I'm not aware of the outdoors map specifics in Sweden, but at
> least here OSM maps update much faster and also include
> specific/thematic information for tourism, cayaking, craftbeer,
> history and all other good things which official sources do not have.
> And having all of that in one database (rather than an overlay) has
> some important benefits.