[Tagging] natural=fell not rendered, alternatives?
Anders Torger
anders at torger.se
Mon Dec 21 17:56:56 UTC 2020
I just discovered a strange(?) thing with the "natural=fell" tag which I
missed at first: on the wiki page there's two purposes defined of this
single tag, the first is landcover of bare mountain as discussed, and
the other purpose is, quote from the wiki:
"In the north of England, and probably in other areas of Norse influence
such as Iceland, Norway and Sweden, there is a practice of naming the
sides of hills, fells, rather than peaks. A single hill can have
different names on different sides. This tag can be used to record such
names."
It's true that we do have such a practice although more so at lower
altitudes. I recently added such a name on an alpine mountain as a fell
cutout with a fixme tag (there is no other tag for slopes I think,
didn't realize that "fell" is it). However as said we have "fell" in
that sense in forested areas as well, even more common there.
I guess if "fell without name tag" is defined as landcover, and "fell
with name tag" is defined as fuzzy area naming a side of a hill it could
work, but it's the first time I see this type of dual definition. Is it
normal, or is the wiki page just documenting how this tag have ended up
being used?
/Anders
On 2020-12-21 18:27, stevea wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2020, at 7:10 AM, Tomas Straupis <tomasstraupis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 2020-12-21, pr, 16:52 Anders Torger rašė:
>>> But what to do if the things you want doesn't
>>> really fit into what OSM currently is and strives to be...
>>
>> We are ALL OSM community. If somebody tells you that "I am OSM and
>> only A is right" - do not believe them.
>> YOU define what OSM is and where it is going to by DOING.
>> The more I look at it, the more it seems that fragmentation is
>> inevitable. Question is how much will remain "common".
>
> Thank you for saying it like this, Tomas. Fragmentation happens,
> though it is not the end of OSM when it does. Private projects, when
> they happen, don't necessarily harm OSM, they prove its strength as a
> solid foundation of data upon which are built bespoke / custom
> solutions. These even can (and do?) "link up" to form a stronger
> fabric which "rides along with" the solid foundation. There are
> examples of this in OSM right now. Truly, a lot of what was said in
> the last few posts are bullseyes on a target:
>
> • YOU define what OSM is by DOING (a crucially important truth!)
>
> • While "local renderers" are by definition limited in their scope,
> they need not be limited in their use: they can be practical/visual
> proofs of "better ways" (to do things), testing grounds for finding
> solutions to more international problems
>
> • There are already local communities creating local cartographic data
> schemas, this is already being talked about as becoming more-widely
> and better integrated among data consumers (like yourself, Anders —
> that's how this works)
>
> • Making OSM into what we might use in the future as a "baseline" map
> for a drop-in replacement for government maps (in Sweden, for example)
> will doubtless earn us growing contributions that surpass the
> government maps. Yes, that's a fair bit of sweat, work and time, but
> it is worth it! (That's a fantastic dream, well-stated and shared by
> many, Anders!)
>
> • Agreeing on the goals FIRST (among peers who can, do and will work
> towards them) takes energy, but it is worth it!
>
> • It is easy to get hooked on this kind of mapping / data /
> collaboration! It works, it is a lot of fun. Repeat ad infinitum.
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