[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - guard stone

[Volker Schmidt]

I do not think my examples are really guard stones, but they look similar,
and I found no tag for them.
My hope was that someone interested in guard stones could also be
interested in the "other" guard stones.
(perhaps the duck principle could be applied: it looks like a guardstone,
it keeps the wheels on the road like a guard stone, hence it can tagged as
a guard stone)

The pair of "guard" stones one on each side of the minor road could be a
kind of ancient width limiter for passing vehicles. I have seen many of
these on the artificial earthen embankments (Italian: argine) that are
common along waterways in the flat lands of Northern Italy. So we could tag
them as barrier=bollard; maxwidth=x

The rows of "guard stones" along roads are certainly a predecessor of guard
rails, i.e. they prevented vehicle from veering off the road. They are very
common still today on minor mountain roads (Example
<https://www.gooutdoor.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/tremalzo-1-810x540.jpg>).
I read somewhere (can't find the source anymore) that in mountainous areas
they were also used as "handbrakes" for horse carts. When the driver
stopped on an uphill stretch, he would let the cart roll a little bit
backwards and outwards to rest it against one of these "guard" stones.
These are certainly linear features, they could be tagged like tree rows or
guard rails.
Does Anyone know what they are called?
I just googled this interesting German document
<http://strassengeschichte.de/Menueoptionen/Geschichte/HistorieGesch/Randsteine/randsteine.htm>
So the German term is "Leitstein", at lest it was in the former DDR The
modern equivalent are the "Leitpfosten
<https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitpfosten>", French "délinéateur", but
there is no English equivalent (I suspect that this was an invention of
Napoléon, and the British didn't like him too much, as far as know, so they
decided to put the reflective markers on the middle of the road, and since
have been driving along the middle line of the road)

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 22:18, Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 21:00, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, I can imagine guardstones to be unconnected from buildings and that
>> is fine, but when they are independent from buildings (or other things to
>> protect) they are not guardstones, even if physically the stones look the
>> same.
>>
>
> +1
>
> The pair either side of a roadway might be boundary markers.  The
> row of stones along a road might have been bollards indicating the
> drop, except they're on the wrong side.  None of them were
> guardstones.
>
> --
> Paul
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