[Tagging] Default access for service=driveway?

[Florian Lohoff]

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 12:34:31PM -0500, Adam Franco wrote:
> Given this and previous discussions around tagging access=* on unsigned
> driveways, driveway=residential seems like a workable and positive way
> forward. driveway=residential is actually verifiable from many
> streets/satellite imagery without requiring mappers to enquire about
> homeowner preferences and would go a long way toward distinguishing these
> from the "public sphere" driveways of businesses/government/etc. As well,
> this tagging still allows mappers to tag access=* when signs, conversation,
> or other information actually confirms what is allowable.

But many legislations have exactly the opposite meaning. We heard from
US States, and i guess also for most European countries there is
no "is allowable" but its the contrary.

As long as you cant VERY explicitly sense that its private property you
cant be hold accountable. In Germany you need to put up fence, gate,
signs or other physical barriers.
The reason is that there might be other "right of way" legalese
(Especially in the countryside) which you may not sense as a foreigner.
And there was a very public problem in Germany on a private open pit
mining (Garzweiler II) where the owner could not evict people from their
property as there was no physical barrier. So they had first to dig a
ditch before they could do something about it.

For the Germans:
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/nordrhein-westfalen-rwe-zieht-graben-um-hambacher-forst-1.4154021

So when there no closed physical barrier you cant evict people or
prosecute them.


Tagging access=no/private means NO, NEVER EVER. So all the food
delivery/postal service are not allowed to enter. Thats not the meaning
of a driveway. A driveway is a "semi public" road which is more like
"permissive" than of "no/private". You are not handing out permissions
in advance but you may decide to send people of your property.

And i think we currently represent it pretty accurate as is. We tag
it is a driveway - and routing engines should avoid using this 
as through road and IMHO they currently all do so by increasing cost.
Increased cost for "service" and even more for "driveway".

Flo
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Florian Lohoff                                                 f at zz.de
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