[Tagging] Use of the name=* on features internal to named areas

Peter Elderson pelderson at gmail.com
Thu Dec 31 18:14:38 UTC 2020


Sorry, I misread the subject.

Peter Elderson


Op do 31 dec. 2020 om 19:11 schreef Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com>:

> On a slightly different angle, I am trying to reduce the misuse of the
> name tag in route relations. Part of the reason for this is the appearance
> and sorting of the routes in lists. Especially when routes have been split
> into sections, to get a nice section list people tend to include section
> number, start and destination, and all sorts of numbers, codes, even
> operator, colour, length and difficulty, all in the name tag with a rich
> variety of punctuations... (yes, I am guilty of this misuse myself. Making
> amends, though!)
>
> Peter Elderson
>
>
> Op do 31 dec. 2020 om 18:54 schreef Joseph Eisenberg <
> joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>:
>
>> > RE:  feature named 'Smith Fountain' within 'XYZ Park' should be tagged
>> 'name=Smith Fountain' but not 'name=XYZ Park Smith Fountain'.
>> Yes, that is good advice>
>>
>> > RE: "Internal features to a named area should only be tagged with a
>> name when there is some verifiable indication (such as signage) of the
>> feature's name independent of the enclosing area."
>>
>> Signage is not required for a toponym to exist. Most natural features,
>> like woods, wetlands, lakes, do not have signs with their names. In many
>> countries with weaker governments or lower literacy levels, the names of
>> hamlets and streets will not be written down, but can be verified by
>> asking the local people. Similarly it is acceptable to add the
>> commonly-used name for a fountain in a university if that name is known
>> widely, even if there is no sign. So I would suggest shortening this
>> suggestion and focusing on the existence of a specific "commonly-used local
>> name".
>>
>> -- Joseph Eisenberg
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 7:52 AM Brian M. Sperlongano <
>> zelonewolf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I recently became aware of a tagging dispute[1] regarding the use of the
>>> name=* tag on features within a college[2] in Maryland, USA.  On review of
>>> the wiki, I found the documentation did not directly address this type of
>>> situation.  Since we're talking about a tag with 80M usages and a tagging
>>> dispute, I figured this warranted discussion.
>>>
>>> The tagging in question is constructing name=* tags for features within
>>> the college, using the college's name prepended.  For example, the tennis
>>> courts are labelled "CCBC Tennis Court #1", "CCBC Tennis Court #2", etc.
>>> The section of the campus that has the athletic fields is tagged
>>> landuse=recreation_ground and named "CCBC Recreation Area".  There is also
>>> a "CCBC Main Score Board" next to the baseball field, a "CCBC Pitching
>>> Cage", and even a "CCBC Flower Garden".
>>>
>>> The wiki article "Names" has a section[3] titled "Names are not for
>>> descriptions" which has only a limited discussion of this concept, e.g. "it
>>> is completely sufficient to tag building=house, it is wrong to add also
>>> name=house."
>>>
>>> I would recommend adding a paragraph to that article that reads
>>> something like:
>>>
>>> Do not construct names for features by combining the name of an
>>> enclosing feature with a description.  For example, an unnamed fountain in
>>> XYZ Park should not be tagged with 'name=XYZ Park Fountain'.  Internal
>>> features to a named area should only be tagged with a name when there is
>>> some verifiable indication (such as signage) of the feature's name
>>> independent of the enclosing area.  When the internal feature is named, it
>>> should still not be combined with the enclosing area's name.  A feature
>>> named 'Smith Fountain' within 'XYZ Park' should be tagged 'name=Smith
>>> Fountain' but not 'name=XYZ Park Smith Fountain'.
>>>
>>> Is that an accurate description of our customs and conventions for
>>> name=* tags?
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/95882458
>>> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/158082404
>>> [3]
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Names_are_not_for_descriptions
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