[Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

[Kevin Kenny]

A possibility: bicycle_rack=yes/no?

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020, 17:04 Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 3/2/20 5:34 am, John Willis via Tagging wrote:
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> Bicycle parking is full of different kinds of stands.
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> “Floor” is Currently the the lack of anything - just an open area to park.
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> A) “floor” doesn’t mean “lockable” or not. All the others describe stands and poles and whatnot, but  ** “Floor” doesn't explicitly mean “no locking affordance” -  It’s implied.** The same is true for =surface or =ground or =flat.
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> B)  A designated painted square of outdoor asphalt with a bicycle painted on the ground is the same thing as the well established parking=surface - but somehow requires a Different word for bikes? **that is inconsistent.**
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> A large majority of bike parking in Japan/Asia is this type of parking. Stands/two-tier are common in urban paid parking/schools/apartments, but ~80% or more are just designated flat ground with a sign - just like a parking lot. The bike parking I map most often is this type - formal, painted, designated flat ground for bike parking with no stands, loops, rails, or anything else for all the bikes to be chained to, covered=yes or not.
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> C) “floor” is used for indoor building location descriptions. (layer is for separating logically overlapping data features, not for this). “Floor” implies indoors to me. Outside doesn't have a floor. the “ground slots” value isn’t called “floor slots”.
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> These 3 reasons make it a poor choice over The well established parking value =surface, and since they are basically the same, I think we should use the same tag value for both.
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>  I agree that it is a poor tag.
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> But it will not be replaced by the surface key as the tag represents 2 things. Until the tag can be replaced by tags that indicate both those things then this tag will remain.
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> In this case the OSM meaning of 'floor' does mean 'not lockable' and a flat area.
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> So .. develop a tag to indicate that 'lockable' or 'non lockable' capability and then the surface key can also be used, thus replacing 'floor'.
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> Javbw
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> On Feb 1, 2020, at 11:07 PM, Florimond Berthoux <florimond.berthoux at gmail.com> <florimond.berthoux at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I think it's not exactly the same feature, one thing interesting in the bicycle_parking for cyclist it to know if you can secure your bike.
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