[Tagging] Unremovable bollards

[Warin]

On 16/2/20 10:29 pm, Florimond Berthoux wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Checking https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/bollard#values
> unremovable is already used a lot, though irremovable is used also but 
> four times less. So I guess you can document the value.
> (And no tag doesn't mean unremovable of course.)
>
> I would like to add that there's a common type in Paris "Potelet 
> sécable" breakable bollard which are designed to break in two piece if 
> pushed too much. [1] <http://urbaco.be/pdf/fprod/FP-BOBSEC(V1-FR).pdf>
> Only a small piece break, so they can be repaired quickly and for not 
> much money.
> They are used a lot when firemen should be able to go with their 
> trucks on an pedestrian area.
>
> No sure if those breakable bollards should be tag as 
> bollard=unremovable with subtag (unremovable=breakable) or directly 
> bollard=breakable.


Umm...

Bollards are there to protect people. With the present threats I would 
think identifying which bollards could be easily driven through on a 
public map/data base would be a bad idea.


So I would be firmly against the idea of the subtag value '=breakable'.



>
>
> [1] http://urbaco.be/pdf/fprod/FP-BOBSEC(V1-FR).pdf 
> <http://urbaco.be/pdf/fprod/FP-BOBSEC(V1-FR).pdf>
>
> Le sam. 15 févr. 2020 à 19:54, Hauke Stieler <mail at hauke-stieler.de 
> <mailto:mail at hauke-stieler.de>> a écrit :
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     there's the "bollard" key with documented value "rising" and
>     "removable"
>     [0] but I often encounter also bollards which cannot be removed
>     easily.
>     I would love to see the "unremovable" value in the documentation.
>     Should
>     I open a proposal page for this one value? That sounds a bit of an
>     overkill to me.
>
>     My suggestion is the value "unremovable":
>     A bollard which cannot be removed without destroying it or at least
>     cause severe damage to it. A bollard which can only be removed by
>     authorized people with some sort of key is still "removable".
>
>     I would not use the value "fixed" or "irremovable" for two
>     reasons: The
>     "unremovable" value is used more often [1] and would be a good
>     counter-value for "removable".
>
>     Hauke
>
>     [0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bollard
>     [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=bollard#values
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