[Tagging] Unremovable bollards

[Volker Schmidt]

These things may just damage cars, but they definitely hurt cyclists and
pedestrians when they hit them. They are often badly visible and their only
purpose, at least here in Italy, to discourage car owners from entering
cycle or foot paths. I know personally of cyclists who ended up in
hospital.

The "breakable" tag should only be used if the "breakability" is clearly
marked and hence no secret to people with bad intentions.

As far as the "irremovability" is concerned, we do have some massive
trachite bollards which need heavy equipment to remove them, but most of
the others can be temporarily removed for road maintenance ecc., but  for
the normal road users they are irremovable.


On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 23:07, Jarek Piórkowski <jarek at piorkowski.ca> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 16:51, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Umm...
> >
> > Bollards are there to protect people. With the present threats I would
> think identifying which bollards could be easily driven through on a public
> map/data base would be a bad idea.
> >
> >
> > So I would be firmly against the idea of the subtag value '=breakable'.
>
> I'm not really sure
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bollard_in_residential_area.jpg
> does much protecting against any determined actor.
>
> That kind of bollard is there as guidance where to drive (more or less
> effective depending on how much attention the driver is paying). Shall
> we not map these at all?
>
> IMO the more serious pedestrian protection is more likely to be
> barrier=block (some heavy-duty bollards notwithstanding)
>
> --Jarek
>
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