[Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, (Martin Koppenhoefer)

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Mon Jan 13 19:01:56 UTC 2020


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>    2. Re:  Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, (Martin Koppenhoefer)
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>>>>> Martin, Italy is amazing. Apparently there are more than 100,000
fountains in Italy. On the 24th of April, we are planning a fountain hunt
in Rome with the My-D.org. We should be 20 people including locals (just in
case you live there).
re: amenity=drinking_water
France is complicated and the lobbies have made almost all perfectly good
water fountains labelled "non potable". Just across the borders in
Switzerland and Italy all the fountains are good to drink......

Price can be an incentive, but unless the waste producer pays all true
indirect externalities the cost will always be minimal for PET.


> 3. Re:  Tagging Free Water for cafés,  bars, (Philip Barnes)
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>>>>>>>Philip, Yes, like the US and France. We believe that it should be
that way everywhere. No one should have to create single-use waste to keep
themselves hydrated.

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> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:50:20 +0100
> From: Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
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> Am Mo., 13. Jan. 2020 um 17:29 Uhr schrieb European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproject at gmail.com>:
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> > While I understand your point of view, many are trying hard to change
> > legislation and might see it as more than a marketing gimmick but rather
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> > right to be able to drink without generating single-use waste. Belgium,
> > Luxembourg,  Switzerland and Italy are not obliged to serve tap water
> with
> > a meal like in France where we live.
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> from a practical point of view, living in Italy, I have not yet encountered
> a place that would have refused (free) tap water. Great thing about Italy
> is that you can get free water in many places right on the street, from
> drinking fountains 24/7. amenity=drinking_water is rank 5 on Italy's
> taginfo stats, almost double the amount of petrol stations :)
> https://taginfo.geofabrik.de/europe/italy/keys/amenity#values
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> In France, drinking_water is amenity rank 23, so rightfully your government
> has found other ways to provide you with water ;-)
> https://taginfo.geofabrik.de/europe/france/keys/amenity#values
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> Not to get me wrong, I do agree there is benefit from political action, and
> there are issues related to water. What also matters is the actual price
> you have to pay for (bottled) water. It will always be completely unrelated
> to drinking water prices, but while in Italy a bottle of water is typically
> 1 EUR (away from airports), or 2 EUR (in the restaurant, there are
> exceptions), in Germany they will typically charge you 2,50 and more for
> just a glass of water. In Switzerland, they sell water for 5 SFR a bottle
> on the motorway, and 4 EUR and more is not unseen on German motorways as
> well.
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> Cheers
> Martin
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> From: Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk>
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> In GB it is the law that licensed premises provide free drinking water.
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> So that , means all pubs, most restaurants and some cafes.
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> Phil (trigpoint)
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