[Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Tue Jan 14 06:47:16 UTC 2020


> What do you think of ?
> free_water = <anyone,consumer>
> free_water:container =<own,establishment>

The standard "access" values that openstreetmap uses, relevant to this
discussion are:

"yes" (this means "anyone" / "everyone" / "the general public")
"no" (this means "no for all the categories below")
"customers" (this means "only for customers" that is, for people who
have paid a fee or bought something)

See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#List_of_possible_values

These values are commonly used for access to parking lots, for
example, so most people who add things to the map will know about
them.

So the values of "free_water=" should be:

free_water = yes
and
free_water = customer

This will make it easier for mappers like us to understand your new
tags and use them correctly.

free_water:container =<own,establishment> - this seems fine?
Other options:
free_water:container = "bring_your_own" (maybe a little clearer?)
and
free_water:container = "available"? or maybe "provided"?

Thank you for discussing this here! Many people just make up their new
tags without getting advice from the rest of the community, so you are
doing a good thing. Please forgive us for any overly blunt or direct
criticism - there are many different cultures and communication styles
represented here.

(If you want, there is a whole, detailed "proposal process" that you
can follow if you want to get these tags official approved. It is not
required, but sometimes it can be helpful if you want more people to
discuss your ideas and the new tags to be displayed more prominently
on the wiki.
See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process for this option.)

- Joseph Eisenberg

On 1/14/20, European Water Project <europeanwaterproject at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 1. Re:  Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant (Paul Allen)
>>
>
>>>>> Paul, thanks for your comment, I see your point
> What do you think of ?
> free_water = <anyone,consumer>
> free_water:container =<own,establishment>
>
>    2. Re:  Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant
>>       (Joseph Eisenberg)
>>
>> >>>> Joseph, makes sense , I removed free_water:table
> What do you think of ?
> free_water = <anyone,consumer>
> free_water:container =<own,establishment>
>
> For the European Water Project, we would include cafes, bars, restaurants
> with
> free_water = anyone
> free_water:container =own
>
> and the other three combinations seem to sufficiently cover the other use
> cases
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 20:58:09 +0000
>> From: Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
>>         <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Tagging]  Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars,
>>         restaurant
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>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 20:52, Hauke Stieler <mail at hauke-stieler.de>
>> wrote:
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>> >
>> > What does "must_consume" mean?
>> >
>>
>> free_water=must_consume means exactly what it says.  Anybody who
>> enters will be given free water and they MUST consume it.  Or else.  So
>> we need a tag to specify the punishment if they refuse to consume the
>> free water (such as being ejected, fined, or killed).
>>
>> Not, in my opinion, a good value for the key.
>>
>> --
>> Paul
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>> From: Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
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>> free_water_table= or free_water:table= will be confusing for places
>> that sell take-out food and don't have tables, for examples small
>> fast-food restaurants, convenience shops, etc.
>>
>> The word "customers" should be included, since what you are trying to
>> specify is that "you can only get free water if you buy something
>> else", and "customers" is the standard term in Openstreetmap for this
>> idea.
>>
>> - Joseph Eisenberg
>>
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