[Tagging] road names and refs

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Thu Jan 30 22:22:31 UTC 2020

>> Are we agreed that something like "Old Route 7" has become a name?

>  I'd generally suggest tagging that as  noname=yes old_ref=US 7

I find that strange. It's no longer a ref. It won't have a "US 7" sign
anywhere on it, because it is not part of "US 7".

How would a map renderer label this with a ref "shield", especially if
the language is not English?

The road system in the USA is not always sensible enough to fit in a box.

- Joseph Eisenberg

On 1/31/20, Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:15 PM Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:50 PM Richard Fairhurst <richard at systemed.net>
>> wrote:
>> > Honestly, there is, and it's as Paul and I have described - you put the
>> ref
>> > in the ref tag and leave the name tag blank. This is how it has been in
>> OSM
>> > since pretty much day one. If a newbie in Europe puts a ref in the name
>> tag,
>> > it gets stomped on pretty quickly.
>> >
>> > The reason it might seem otherwise in the States is that the TIGER
>> > import
>> > didn't populate the ref tag, just the name tag, and a lot of the TIGER
>> > import still hasn't been cleared up. So there's a bunch of
>> > TIGER-derived
>> > roads which have things like "name=County Road 23" (or Township Road,
>> > or
>> "Co
>> > Rd", or many other variations).
>> OK, I'll add that to the things I look for. As I said, I'd been
>> retaining it only when it's the only name, and I never added any new
>> ways with that, merely refrained from repairing that case.
>> It's encouraging that in this particular discussion, that's the only
>> detail you guys say I got wrong. 'ref' tag on the way for the
>> renderer; road route relation with detailed network and ref; never an
>> alt_name or name_1, etc. with a route reference.
>> Oh, and a further corner case: Are we agreed that something like "Old
>> Route 7" has become a name?  It's no longer a ref, because Route 7 is
>> now elsewhere. It appears on street signs like any other name, not on
>> a reference banner, and it's the 'addr:street' of the houses on it.
> Eeeh, I'd generally suggest tagging that as noname=yes old_ref=US 7 (if the
> old route was a US route) to retain more information.  Signing is pretty
> similar, too, some places will leave the old shields up and change the
> banner from a cardinal to OLD until the signs wear out as a wayfinder for
> folks with outdated maps.  Much of the midwest, on nameless roads that have
> routes, just put something like "SH 33" or "Hwy 412" on the finger signs as
> a low-budget solution to posting a proper, potentially multicolor, die-cut,
> screen-printed shield and a double-ended arrow as is MUTCD standard for
> such a case.  addr:street still goes with however the post finds it.  It
> helps to know the local context quite a bit when trying to sort out how
> local authorities cheaped out on posting standard signs.

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