[Tagging] network tag on route relations

Peter Elderson pelderson at gmail.com
Mon Jul 13 18:46:04 UTC 2020

Route=foot, route=hiking, route=bicycle, route=piste, route=inline_skates,
route=canoe, route=horse.

modality may be a wrong word? It's used in Nederland to mean transport
mode, including walking.

Vr gr Peter Elderson

Op ma 13 jul. 2020 om 20:29 schreef Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>:

> What is a recreational route and how's it got anything to do with talking
> about modality?
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:25 PM Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Nederland, Germany and Belgium also have walking routes, horse routes,
>> inline-skating routes, canoe routes, motorboat routes. Also a myriad of
>> node networks for all the modalities, some completely developed and
>> covering the country (cycling node networks), some almost nation-wide but
>> locally or regionally maintained (walking node networks), some in the early
>> stages but spreading rapidly, also to other countries (Austria, France,
>> Spain).
>> The lXn, rXn, nXn, iXn system, combined with network:type=node_network,
>> operator, and ref, , covers all recreational routes, in many countries with
>> very different systems of administration and maintenance.
>> If there is a conflict between the use of those routes and the highway
>> road routes coding system, that would be a problem requiring a solution.
>> Perceived inconsistency  between clearly different uses of the route
>> relation iis not.
>> I think this recreational route network coding has earned its place.
>> Still, if an actual problem arises, I would be happy to help solve it. I
>> know some people think the network=XXn system is principally flawed and
>> should never have been approved, but I have yet to see one actual problem
>> and it appears to do the job around the world, for recreational routes of
>> all scopes and modalities, even though countries have very different
>> administration and maintenance systems from completely central to
>> distributed and chaotic, and different for most modalities.
>> Best, Peter Elderson
>> Op ma 13 jul. 2020 om 18:51 schreef Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com>:
>>> I am not saying get rid of the network tag, I am saying we should be
>>>> consistent.  In the above case, if  network=UK (instead of network=ncn),
>>>> one would know it is national. First because the UK is a nation and there
>>>> is no smaller jurisdiction that follows "UK" in the tag, and because there
>>>> would be cycle routes all over the UK where network=UK.
>>> Numbering in the UK reflects the "importance" of a route:
>>> National routes carry two-digit numbers
>>> Regional routes carry three-digit numbers
>>> Local cycle routes are less consistently labelled.
>>> OSM, born in the UK  has inherited this approach
>>> The UK national bicycle network is managed by Sustrans - see
>>> https://www.sustrans.org.uk/national-cycle-network
>>> Similarly tiered systems exist in the Netherlands and Germany.
>>> In Italy there is a similar approach, that mirrors the administrative
>>> organisation of the country: National routes connect several regions.
>>> Regional routes connect severela provinces and local routes are typically
>>> within a single province.
>>> Volker (Italy)
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