[Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

Volker Schmidt voschix at gmail.com
Wed Jul 22 10:03:34 UTC 2020

The boxes business is most likely leading us a bit up the Nymphenburg
Schlosspark garden path.
The real issue is routing for bicycles.
Many (bicycle) routers I know would route you against (short) stretches of
one-way roads or on short stretches of (bicycle=no) footpaths, so in those
cases it is important to be sure that you distinguish between hard-no and
soft-no for bicycles.
I have come across another type of hard-no for bicycles in the form of
chicane-type cycle barriers too narrow to push a bicycle (or a wheelchair)

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 11:48, bkil <bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have yet to see a park where they limit the size of luggage I can carry
> with me (within rational limits).
> I think local law always defines what a bicycle is exactly. I don't think
> that they have the right to search your box to check whether it contains
> legally defined bicycles - that could only be done by a police officer and
> would need a warrant, so I think we can always carry bicycles in a box.
> Mind you that luggage could also have wheels.
> For circumventing carry-on rules, it was common knowledge that if you
> removed the front tire, it could not be ridden anymore and could be
> understood to be not a bicycle, rather it was classified as "bicycle
> parts". Some thought this could be used to transport bicycles on a train
> for free, but it was actually oversized for the definition of luggage, so
> the actual deciding factor was always the kindness of the staff.
> If you carry a front wheel and your friend carries the rest, can you enter
> the park? Both of you are only carrying parts, and none of you
> possess bicycles.
> On the other hand, the terms of services of transport companies usually
> have written provisions for carrying on folded bicycles irrespective of
> size limits (for example, they even allow folded mountain bikes).
> Just for kicks:
> https://ecofriend.com/bike-that-folds-into-an-a3-paper-size-box-is-rightly-named-the-a3-bicycle.html
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:30 AM Martin Koppenhoefer <
> dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
>> sent from a phone
>> On 22. Jul 2020, at 11:07, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
>> tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>> bicycle_pushed=no was suggested in previous discussion, see
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-November/thread.html#49056
>> and then you would also need
>> bicycle_carried=no
>> and
>> bicycle_carried_in_a_box=no
>> (the latter is rare and could be seen as another way of saying
>> carrying_boxes=no or maybe carrying_boxes:conditional =no@(any_dimension
>> > 0.3m)
>> And we would have to define what „bicycle“ means.
>> Are these bicycles?
>> 1.
>> https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDgwMA==/z/F-8AAOSwstJZXeV2/$_12.JPG
>> 2.
>> http://img0.biker-boarder.de/detail_oxp1/g13_edge_raw.jpg
>> 3.
>> http://www.unicyclist.com/filedata/fetch?id=2476281
>> 4.
>> https://photos.netjuggler.net/monocycle-kris-holm-24p/grande/Monocycle-Kris-Holm-24-pouces-isis1.jpg
>> etc.
>> Cheers Martin
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