[Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

Kevin Broderick ktb at kevinbroderick.com
Tue Jul 28 17:53:06 UTC 2020


Re: the discussion of driveways that are public ways, there *are* a fair
number of such things in New England, particularly Vermont. I suspect there
may be other places with similar situations, but I'm not sure; Vermont has
a particular set of laws around town right-of-ways that have preserved
public access to a lot of ways that you wouldn't necessarily think are a
public roadway by looking at them.

In Vermont, the typical case is that a house was built on an old road. The
town then decided to stop maintaining said road, but didn't release the
right-of-way. The homeowner now maintains the driveway (or sometimes more
than one homeowner maintains a shared driveway), but the right-of-way
remains open to the public, even beyond the regularly maintained driveway.
One such example is Orchard Road / Town HIghway 17 in Lincoln, Vermont
(c.f. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/242164910); the legal right of way
continue from the driveway across the lawn and then into the woods, where
it becomes a typical woods road / Jeep trail. I'm not sure about the
history in this case, but the evidence on the ground is consistent with the
pattern (and it happens to show up pretty well on imagery). Where the ROW
dead-ends with the driveway, it's more likely that the town will go through
the steps to release the ROW back to the landowner (particularly if the
landowner is seeking to transfer the property).

In that case, I felt that it was most appropriate to tag the public ROW as
way=residential leading to the house and the continued way as
highway=track. IMO, I don't think service=driveway is appropriate for a
public right-of-way that allows access to other properties or roadways,
even if the *primary* usage is accessing a particular property.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matthew Woehlke <mwoehlke.floss at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 28/07/2020 03.15, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> > Never use the driveway tag on public ways
>
> Uh... IIUC, "public" driveways are just fine. A driveway is a minor
> service road leading to a residential *or business* property. I've
> tagged plenty of things that aren't really "roads" (entrances to parking
> lots, especially) as service=driveway.
>
> ...OTOH they probably aren't technically *public* roads, even though
> there are generally open to the public.
>
> For example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/378672974.
>
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