[Tagging] addr:street for routes

Kevin Kenny kevin.b.kenny at gmail.com
Fri Jul 31 20:15:57 UTC 2020


On 31. Jul 2020, at 18:25, Jmapb <jmapb at gmx.com> wrote:
>
> But most of the ways in the route have no valid name. Segments were
> imported from TIGER with name=State Highway 214 but that's been removed
> in favor of ref=NY 214.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:01 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
wrote:

>  around here we keep both, no need to remove the name if it makes sense.
State Highway 214 looks like a reasonable name, especially outside of
builtup areas.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 3:15 PM Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree.
>
> Proof of this is that a section of road which was formerly US Highway 99,
> but where the highway ref is now on a new bypass, will often by signed as
> “Old Highway 99”, so it’s reasonable to say that the name=* was “Highway
> 99” before.
>

OK, where were you guys the last time I brought this up?

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 3:31 PM Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:

> Name is only the name.  Names are not refs.  For the above example, ref=NY
> 214, noname=yes would be the right way.
>

The last time I mentioned that using 'State Route 214' as a name appeared
to be common practice around here if (and only if) the road had no other
name. I got quite a chorus of replies, all of which agreed with you.
Richard Fairhurst offered a bunch of UK examples with ref=A1234 noname=yes.

I've certainly been deleting the ref from 'name_1' where it appears (TIGER
put it there throughout) if the road does have another name.  I've not been
jumping to replace all the other ref-as-name with `noname=yes` (I might do
it if I'm editing a way for another reason and happen to notice) because I
have better things to do, and because it's the name that the locals use. It
even appears on blade signs at some intersections, spelt out.

The reductio-ad-absurdum would be to argue that 42nd Street in Manhattan
should be `noname=yes ref=???` and participate in a route relation with
`network=US:NY:New York:Street ref=42`. I'm sure that would please strict
taxonomists, but most people would think it silly to argue that the name of
the road at the downtown end of Times Square isn't 'Forty-Second Street'.
If 42nd Street can be a name, why can't County Route 23C?

There are even parallels for 'the road has a name other than the ref, but
the ref remains the common name' in Manhattan. Sixth Avenue is also named
Avenue of the Americas. Nowadays, it carries signs for both, but I can
remember a time when the locals and the subway said 'Sixth Avenue' and the
street signs said 'Avenue of the Americas', confusing the tourists.  These
are 'name' and 'alt_name', not 'name' and 'ref'; Sixth Avenue was there
first. (Also see Seventh Avenue/Fashion Avenue - only in the Garment
District; Fourth Avenue/Park Avenue South - the segment south of Union
Square)
-- 
73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin
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