[Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM
ricoz.osm at gmail.com
Sat Jun 6 21:35:24 UTC 2020
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 09:20:43AM +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Sun, 31 May 2020 at 01:18, Tod Fitch <tod at fitchfamily.org> wrote:
> > > On May 30, 2020, at 7:57 AM, Rob Savoye <rob at senecass.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 15:46:31 +0200
> > >> From: Daniel Westergren <westis at gmail.com>
> > >
> > >> *An additional issue:*
> > >> 6. sac_scale is currently the only tag (possibly together with
> > mtb:scale)
> > >> to denote the difficulty of a hiking trail (that is, the way, not the
> > >> route). But it's very geared towards alpine trails and there is not
> > enough
> > >> nuance in the lowest levels.
> > >
> > > As a climber, I don't think we'd want to apply YDS to hiking trails.
> > > To me, YDS should only used for technical routes requiring equipment
> > > (usually).
> > As a Sierra Club member in Southern California (where the YDS originated
> > long before my time), a hiker and a former climber I must mention that 1,
> > 2, 3, and 4 on the YDS are basically levels of difficulty in hiking.
> > Climbers really only work with 5 and its various subdivisions. Ruling out
> > the whole scale simply because one level of it is dedicated to climbing is
> > a bit much.
> > OTOH, the Australians have a bush walking scale that does not, from what
> > I’ve seen, include levels for climbing so that might be choice that does
> > not automatically connote a different outdoor activity.
> So would we try & combine a walking scale & a climbing / alpine scale into
> one, or have two scales?
> Two would probably make a lot more sense, with "Walking / Hiking" 1 - 5,
> then sac starting at about 4/5.
.. and don't forget via ferrata's have their own scale, athough they *should*
be using higway=via_ferrata - and climbing routes *should* be using route=climbing????
> Something else that I've just thought about & not sure whether it would
> need to be mentioned - possibility of encountering dangerous wildlife?
> Yes, there are 1000 things in the Australian bush that'll kill you :-), but
> none of them will actually eat you! (not even Drop Bears!
> https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/animals/mammals/drop-bear/ :-)) Same
> applies to (virtually?) all of Western Europe, but how about North America,
> Africa, Asia & so on? Do we have / need a way of tagging that bears (or
> whatever) may be encountered while walking in this area?
as most of the bears here should have a GPS transmitter there should be
a live map displaying areas where they might be encountered (don't think anyone
will release their exact position as it might encourage idiots seeking
an adrenaline push or poachers).
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