[Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Tue Jun 9 20:08:14 UTC 2020


> I propose changing the path page...

Disagree. A track is primarily used for agriculture, forestry or related
activities.

A path is primarily used by people on foot, on bicycles, or on horseback.

While most paths are narrow, because those 3 means of transportation do not
require a wide roadway, there are many paths which are 3 to 4 meters wide,
where motor vehicles can theoretically access them, but they are not
agricultural or forestry tracks, but are designed and used as multi-use
paths.

Consider that the average sidewalk is 3 meters wide in most developed
cities, which is plenty wide to drive a small car down it. That is not a
highway=track, its a sidewalk.

Most paths and footways in urban parks are more than 2 meters wide. They
are not tracks.

– Joseph Eisenberg

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 12:55 PM brad <bradhaack at fastmail.com> wrote:

> It already says this:
> "Some highway <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=track are
> used for various leisure activities - hiking, cycling, or as jeep/ATV
> trails. "
> on the track wiki.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack
>
> I propose changing the path page from this:
> "If a path is wide enough for 4-wheel-vehicles (wider than 2 m), and it is
> not legally signposted or otherwise only allowed for pedestrians, cyclists
> or horseriders, it is often better tagged as a highway
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=track
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack> or highway
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=service
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservice>. "
>
> to this:
> "If a path is wide enough for 4-wheel-vehicles (wider than 2 m), it is
> often better tagged as a highway
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=track
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack> or highway
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=service
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservice>. "
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath
>
> To clarify, we could change the track page from this:
> "This tag <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag> represents roads for
> mostly agricultural use, forest tracks etc.; often unpaved (unsealed) but
> may apply to paved tracks as well, that are suitable for *two*-track
> vehicles, such as tractors or jeeps."
> to this:
> "This tag <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag> represents roads for
> agricultural use, forest tracks, *recreation*, etc.; often unpaved
> (unsealed) but may apply to paved tracks as well, that are suitable for
> *two*-track vehicles, such as tractors or jeeps. "
>
> On 6/9/20 11:52 AM, Mike Thompson wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 8:43 AM Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > If the way is used by "law enforcement, emergency, and maintenance
> staff" motor vehicles then I'd tag it highway=track and if it's designated
> for walking then foot=designated + motor_vehicle=private, since it's wide
> enough and occasionally used by vehicles, even for a path that is mostly
> used for walking.
> This is just the opposite advice I got on this list about a similar
> situation a couple of weeks ago. As a community we need to have some
> consistency.  There is another user (other than I or cosmocatalano) who is
> going around making the exact opposite changes as cosmocatalano.  If the
> community agrees with you and cosmocatalano, I will map accordingly and
> make changes in my local area along those lines, but I don't want to have
> the same conversation here two weeks from now.
>
> > you'd need to still indicate it's usable by motor vehicle
> width=<some value greater than ~1 meter> +
> smoothness=very_bad/bad/intermediate/good/excellent
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 00:32, Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I know we have had this discussion before, but perhaps some of you that
>>> are more elegant (and diplomatic) can comment on:
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85034574
>>>
>>>
>>> These ways exist only to provide recreation to those on foot, bicycle or
>>> horseback.  One will occasionally see a park maintenance vehicle, such as a
>>> side by side ATV (I don't think one could even get a regular four wheeled
>>> vehicle back there.), but the public is not allowed to operate motor
>>> vehicles on these ways.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
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