[Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Mon Mar 23 00:38:21 UTC 2020


> A blanket rule that anything with "Square" in the name must be mapped as
place=square is as defective as one saying that anything with
"Maes" in the name must be mapped as a field.

Right, and it only works for languages that have a shared cultural
heritage (European languages). In Indonesian, features that are like
squares are named with the same word used for grassy fields and
meadows: "lapangan", and parks use the same word as "garden": "taman".

That is why we need an actual definition of place=square that isn't
simply "a town square", because I need to be able to translate it into
Indonesia, for people who have never seen a European town square. I
suspect that Japanese and Korean will have the same problem, along
with many other non-European languages.

-- Joseph Eisenberg

On 3/23/20, Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 at 19:56, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> > On 22. Mar 2020, at 20:46, Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > So you say it's purely about the name.  Then, later in your response,
>> contradict
>> > yourself.
>>
>>
>> let me put it like this: it’s a very strong indication.
>>
>
> I disagree.  There's a housing development a few miles from me.  It's in
> what used to be a field belonging to the vicarage just north of it.  The
> field was called "Maes Rheithordy" which is Welsh for "Vicarage Field."
> The housing development is called "Maes Rheithordy" (that is the
> street name in the addresses).  Should I map it as residential land
> use with houses on it or should I map it as a field because of the "Maes"
> in the name?
>
> In my town there are housing estates Maesglas, Maesycoed and
> Maes-y-Dderwen, all named after the fields that used to be there.
> And North Park, which is a housing estate not a park.
>
> Name alone is not a good indicator of usage or how something should be
> mapped.  At best it's a clue as to what might be there now.  A blanket
> rule that anything with "Square" in the name must be mapped as
> place=square is as defective as one saying that anything with
> "Maes" in the name must be mapped as a field.
>
> --
> Paul
>



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