[Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?
joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Wed Mar 25 14:20:46 UTC 2020
> "if the name is otherwise regarded correct by mainstream media or a language authority."
In that case, please add it to wikidata with a reference, but it would
not be appropriate for Openstreetmap.
Unlike wikipedia and wikidata, which are based on references and
citations to "authoritative" sources, Openstreetmap has always been
designed as a primary source: we map real, current features which you
can visit in person.
I agree that names in fictional languages should not be added to
name:<iso> tags, nor any name which cannot possibly be confirmed to be
true or false by local mappers.
If an Indonesian mapper adds name:id=* tags to every village in
northern Finland, how is anyone to confirm that they are right or
-- Joseph EIsenberg
On 3/25/20, Jyri-Petteri Paloposki <jyri-petteri.paloposki at iki.fi> wrote:
> On 25.3.2020 12.58, Christoph Hormann wrote:
>> In terms of our traditional values and principles active use of the name
>> is not the necessary criterion, it is verifiable local knowledge. Like
>> with any kind of names practical verification of names would be
>> possible by inquiring about the name to people locally. This
>> essentially means the following practical requirements:
>> * there being a sufficient number of people present locally that
>> speak/write the language in question. Those don't have to be people
>> living there, it can also be visitors.
>> * these people knowing the name in said language - being able to look it
>> up on some external source does not count, that is wikipedia
>> verifiability, not OSM verifiability.
>> * these people largely consistently agreeing on the same name.
> I slightly disagree with this one. IMO a name in a foreign language
> would be admissible if it is recognised by native speakers of the
> language either back home or in the local community OR if the name is
> otherwise regarded correct by mainstream media or a language authority.
> I recently checked if the foreign cities listed in the Finnish Wikipedia
> as having a specific Finnish name were correct in OSM. I stumbled upon
> Yokohama, for which I didn't know there's a Finnish wording (Jokohama).
> However once I saw it, it definitely is understandable and clearly
> Finnish. It is also used by the Finnish mainstream media and endorsed
> by the Institute for the Languages of Finland, which is the authority
> responsible for recommendations concerning the Finnish language. Still,
> if asked, I wouldn't have instantly been able to recognise the name as
> correct despite being a native Finnish speaker.
> 1) https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10956002
> 2) http://www.kielitoimistonohjepankki.fi/haku/jokohama/ohje/633
> Best regards,
> Jyri-Petteri Paloposki
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