[Tagging] [Talk-ml] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

So, this discussion gravitates towards using landuse=common for those 
African urban freely accessible multipurpose open spaces, which I fully 
support.

Implementing this change requires the following actions:

- Editing the leisure=common wiki page, in French and in English (I'll 
do that)

- Reinstating the rendering of leisure=common in downstream cartographic 
styles, would be even better if the color matched the surface=* so that 
sandy surfaces don't appear green.

- Reinstating the rendering of leisure=common in JOSM's default style 
(it recently changed to grey to mark deprecation). (I'll open a JOSM ticket

- Altering QA rules (JOSM Validator and Osmose) so that the 
leisure=common deprecation only applies to the United Kingdom of Great 
Britain, where commons have a legal definition and designation=common 
must be used for them. (I'll open a JOSM ticket but if someone has prior 
experience interacting with the Osmose people, that would be nice)


On 5/3/20 4:19 PM, severin.menard via Tagging wrote:
> Je suis d'accord avec Pierre : le tag landuse=common convient bien à 
> ces espaces ouverts dans les villages et villes africaines et un parc 
> n'a pas grand-chose à voir avec.
> ----
> I agree with Pierre: the tag landuse=common is well suited to these 
> open spaces in African villages and towns and a park has little to do 
> with it.
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 21:59, Pierre Béland via Talk-ml 
> <talk-ml at openstreetmap.org> a écrit :
>
>> Like others, I did map many of these. I can tell you that we often 
>> see a common space in center of african villages, often near the 
>> school,  and  it is surely not green and have no facilities like in 
>> the Nordic countries parks.
>>
>> People have to understand that there are often no infrastructures in 
>> African villages. But young people still gather and play.
>>
>> I dont think that the OSM tagging schema should reflect the legal 
>> status in specific countries like UK. Various tags can reflect 
>> various realities.  And leisure=common seems to be quite well adapted 
>> to Africa and dont exist to stretch the legal defininition of UK.
>>
>> When the tag is used in UK, I would understand that the UK 
>> contributors want to follow a certain rule particular to their country.
>>
>> But I dont agree to deprecate the the leisure=common tag for Africa.
>>
>>
>>
>> Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 15 h 34 min 57 s UTC−4, Jean-Marc Liotier 
>> <jm at liotier.org> a écrit :
>>
>>
>> Here is a 360° picture of a square in Dakar:
>> https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA - larger than a
>> street (it occupies a whole city block), used as a multipurpose common
>> area (pickup soccer games are a staple but parking or lounging around
>> also occur, and the occasional popular event) and usually surfaced with
>> sand or whatever the ground is.
>>
>> We have long tagged it leisure=common (389 ways in Senegal and 486 in
>> Mali according to http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/TqN) - which is a bit of
>> stretch from the British legal definition, but worked well enough and
>> did not conflict with its British usage. But leisure=common is now
>> deprecated
>>
>> So, what should we use instead ?
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dcommon suggests using
>> leisure=park - which isn't too much of a stretch functionally but evokes
>> greenery that does not occur here (though British commons are just as
>> green and we were happy with leisure=common)... Any other ideas ? Or I'm
>> going to use leisure=park+surface=sand !
>
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