[Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhauser at gmail.com
Wed May 6 21:02:58 UTC 2020


Paul, this thread is not trying to convince you to go tag carillions. It's
to figure out how to tag them, for people that *do *want to tag them and
would find that useful. If it's not your thing that's fine, just sit this
one out. Cheers, Brad

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:28 PM Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 19:59, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I understand you are mostly interested in visual aspects, but OSM doesn’t
>> have to limit itself to this, IMHO carillons are mostly about music so
>> whether you can see them is not so important.
>>
>
> Already covered under attraction=carillon.  I don't have a problem with
> that,
> or with similar non-visual POIs like concert halls, theatres, etc.  They're
> of interest to a relatively large group of people.  People want to know
> about
> these things.
>
> > I don't think we need to tag the fact that a carillon is in a church
>> bell tower,
>> > or how many bells it has.  We distinguish between a bell tower and a
>> clock
>> > tower because they are visibly very different and constitute landmarks .
>> > Other than that, we don't need to know what is inside.
>>
>> I disagree.
>>
>
> Others within OSM disagree with both of us and think lots of things
> that we both agree are useful have no business being represented on
> a map.  I take a different view to them: if it is useful to more than a
> very tiny minority of people then it can and should be mapped.  "Useful"
> includes using it as a landmark for navigation or to confirm that
> you really are where you think you are (so inscriptions on plaques
> are useful because there could be more than one plaque in
> the area where you are and the one you're stood in front may
> not be the one you think it is).  "Useful" includes people wanting
> to find a POI of that particular type, or finding a specific
> POI.  "Useful" includes opening hours so you don't waste
> time going somewhere that isn't open that day.
>
> How many people care if a church clock escapement uses a pendulum
> or is electronic?  How many people care if a church has four bells or five?
> How many people care if the church bells are rung by tugging on
> ropes or by a carillon?  The answer to that last question is not many,
> unless it performs frequently and regularly so they could plan an
> excursion to hear it.
>
> I don't think tagging carillons in churches is important at this time.
> There are still plenty of things to map that are of far more interest
> to far more people.  But if somebody thinks it is really important
> I won't oppose it, because "any tag you like" means there's no way
> for any of us to stop it happening, the best we can hope for is to
> guide the choice of tags to be sensible.  So you write a proposal
> and I won't vote against it unless I think the key and/or value
> you propose is flawed.  I might even vote for it.  But I think it
> will be applicable to such a small number of POIs and be of
> interest to such a tiny fraction of mappers and users that it's
> not worth the effort.
>
> --
> Paul
>
>
>
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