[Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

[Max]

I can add some carillon fun facts (with implications for OSM):

The largest Carillon in Europe is in Halle (Saale) [1] with 76 bells. 
They actually aimed for being the largest in the world but did bad 
research. Turns out there are two bigger ones with 77 bells in 
Bloomfield Hills, Michigan in a Presbyterian church and another one in 
South Korea.
Since it's extremely expensive to make the large bells, they went for 
many tiny ones extending the carillon in the high notes. Obviously they 
get fainter and fainter and the last bells are impossible to hear on the 
square.
Usually the bells can be played directly by jamming on wooden bars with 
your fist [2] (The bars have ropes attached to them). This is how it is 
in Halle, additionally a section of the carillon can be played from a 
Computer via MIDI. (Then they are usually excited electrically by solenoids)

In Weimar there are two Carillon curiosities:
A Meissen porcelain carillon in the townhall [3], and a glass carillon 
in the city music school [4].

What to tag: {example}
What material: brass/iron/porcelain/glass
Which notes: f4; g4; a4; c5
Which year: 1929
Control: Clavier, MIDI


[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roter_Turm_(Halle)#Carillon
[2] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carillon#/media/File:BIG_117025309040611.jpg
[3] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Weimar_-_Rathaus_glocken.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtGi00TYfYI
[4] 
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Glocken_im_Landkreis_Weimarer_Land_und_in_Weimar#/media/Datei:Weimar-Musikschule.jpg



On 06.05.20 21:41, Lukas-458 at web.de wrote:
> An addition to my ideas:
> I think bell_tower=carillon does not really fit, because it says nothing 
> about what kind of bell_tower it is, like the other values of bell_tower do.
> Wikipedia says: "A *carillon *is a musical instrument 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_instrument>that is typically 
> housed in the bell tower 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_tower>(belfry) of a church 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_(building)>" okay yes, typically. 
> But that changes nothing about that it's not a type of a bell_tower, but 
> a "content" of it. So that's why I would propose a new tag 
> man_made=bells for it, but I see that that might be like mapping every 
> antenna of a tower:type=communication. Not very useful. So I would go on 
> attraction=carillon then, which could be used for the carillons when 
> they are operated as an attraction.
> --Lukas
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 06. Mai 2020 um 21:24 Uhr
> *Von:* Lukas-458 at web.de
> *An:* tagging at openstreetmap.org
> *Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?
> Okay. So I may conclude:
> - We have those carillons inside bell towers, often we do not see them 
> at all. Not sure whether to tag those, at least the attraction=* key 
> would not fit for all of them.
> - We have some carillons outside of bell_towers, and I think these are 
> the ones which are operated as an attraction, at least in most cases.
> What would you say to propose something like "man_made=bells" (not 
> man_made=bell, because several bells can then mapped as one node, for 
> many carillons it would not be really able to map each bell of it) and 
> "bell_count" for tagging "all kinds" of bells? These tags could be used 
> for carillons inside and outside of bell_towers (and maybe for "other 
> bells", too), so it says nothing about being an attraction. If people 
> want to map only the tower, they can do. But I believe there are bells 
> outside of towers, too.
> If it's purposed for people looking at it and hearing it at scheduled 
> times and so on, we would need something like attraction=carillon or the 
> tourism=attraction tag would have to be added to the man_made=bells, 
> would be my suggestion then.
> Someone likes to comment on that?
> -- Lukas
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 06. Mai 2020 um 20:58 Uhr
> *Von:* "Martin Koppenhoefer" <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
> *An:* "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" 
> <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> *Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?
> 
> 
> sent from a phone
> 
>  > On 6. May 2020, at 19:54, Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >
>  > I'm not sure we need to tag the carillon. The ones in churches I've
>  > encountered or read about aren't operated as attractions. The bells 
> aren't
>  > visible, the mechanisms aren't visible, the operator isn't visible 
> and they're
>  > not operated frequently.
> 
> 
> 
> I understand you are mostly interested in visual aspects, but OSM 
> doesn’t have to limit itself to this, IMHO carillons are mostly about 
> music so whether you can see them is not so important.
> 
> 
>  > I don't think we need to tag the fact that a carillon is in a church 
> bell tower,
>  > or how many bells it has. We distinguish between a bell tower and a clock
>  > tower because they are visibly very different and constitute landmarks .
>  > Other than that, we don't need to know what is inside.
> 
> 
> I disagree.
> 
> Cheers Martin
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