[Tagging] Voting procedures (Was: Re: Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved)

[Mateusz Konieczny]

May 8, 2020, 18:06 by kevin.b.kenny at gmail.com:

> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Phake Nick <c933103 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Given the proportion of opposing comment being raised, I would say "more than what have been discussed", as barely anyone raised the point during the discussion. The only two remotely relevant mentions about it during the discussion process was 1. one user who think there should be a new parents tag that cover both regular taxi and motorcycle taxi, and 2. another who incorrectly assuned "motorcycle taxi" is a combination of two different features just because the term come with a space. That clearly indicate discussion was not sufficient and that the proposal should restart the discussion process.
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> Our 'yes/no' voting on proposals leads to a pathological phenomenon
> that I've seen happen several times.
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> Someone wants to map a particular feature, and floats an idea for a
> tag 'A' on the list.
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> Several other people counter-propose incompatible tags 'B', 'C', 'D' -
> each with its own advantages and disadvantages.
>
> None of these tags garners a clear majority of commenters.
>
> Either the proponent abandons the idea, or else falls back on 'any
> tags you like', or actually bites the bullet and makes a formal
> proposal, calling the vote.
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> In the last case, which is already uncommon, the vote fails, because,
> if for instance, 'B' becomes the final proposal, all of the supporters
> of 'A', 'C', 'D' vote against the proposal.
>
In my case I proceed with vote only in case of a clear support for a proposal.
(man_made=bridge, man_made=carpet_hanger)

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made%3Dbridge
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/carpet_hanger

I made some proposals where discussion was very useful and helped to
improve page, but I decided to not risk a vote.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/street_vendor%3Dyes
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours:signed%3Dno

No vote at all and de facto tag is better outcome than a failed vote
if you want to tag something with an accepted tag.

Personally I am fine with this idea, I consider review, criticism and discussion as
the useful part of a proposal process. And I give little weight to whatever
tag was approved by vote or not.

(that is also why people wanting to deprecate highway=bus_stop or promote
landcover=* tag family will not make a proposal with vote, because it is
very likely that it would be rejected)

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