[Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

[Walker Bradley]

I certainly support Rob’s view on *=yes

Or if we want something similar to man_made=*, we have natural= we could also have unnatural=

> On Oct 19, 2020, at 22:55, Robert Delmenico <robert at rtbk.com.au> wrote:
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> Perhaps the use of man_made could be dropped all together as it is somewhat superfluous.
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> Ie. man_made=bridge is the same as bridge=yes
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> Perhaps all of the existing man_made=[value] tags should be changed to [value]=yes
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> 
> Rob
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>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, 9:46 am Robert Delmenico, <robert at rtbk.com.au> wrote:
>> Please read this article:
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>> https://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2guides/guides/pep/index-fra.html?lang=fra&page=usage_7_gender_neutral_writing_questions_usage
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>> 'Not really, and "man_made" does not mean that it was made by males.'
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>> Yes it does. Why would society also use women-made?
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>> 'It seems to me that a lot of males like to speak for women on these issues.
>> Why? Can't they speak for themselves?'
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>> Hence why I said who am I to decide! 
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>> 'Marriam-webster:
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>> Definition of man-made
>> : manufactured, created, or constructed by human beings'
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>> https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/03/not-everything-is-man-made-13-amazing-inventions-you-can-thank-women-for/
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>> Should we use the term man-made if it is made entirely by women?
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>> Also, check out the translations in the Collins dictionary - what do you notice? 
>> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/man-made
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>> 'As I mentioned in another email, we do use terms such as midwife.'
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>> Midwife actually translates as 'with woman'. The wife part relates to the person giving birth.
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>>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, 8:44 am Niels Elgaard Larsen, <elgaard at agol.dk> wrote:
>>> Robert Delmenico:
>>> > 
>>> > I originally put the call out really to gauge if there was much interest in changing 
>>> > the term man_made because of its use of 'man', and was interested in hearing the 
>>> > thoughts from other mappers as really this proposal isn't just mine. If there was no 
>>> > interest I would just abandon it and move on - that's how the system works yeah?
>>> > 
>>> > Here's my thoughts based on the feedback received so far
>>> > 
>>> > Regardless of the origin of the term, the current use of 'man' is to identify adult 
>>> > males.
>>> 
>>> Not really, and "man_made" does not mean that it was made by males.
>>> 
>>> > I don't think the use of 'man_made' offends women, but who am I to decide that as I 
>>> > am a adult male.
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that a lot of males like to speak for women on these issues.
>>> Why? Can't they speak for themselves?
>>> 
>>> > I feel that by using any masculine or feminine terms where a suitable alternative 
>>> > exists instills the stereotypes based on these terms.
>>> 
>>> Marriam-webster:
>>> ==
>>> Definition of man-made
>>> : manufactured, created, or constructed by human beings
>>> ==
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > We don't refer to firefigters as firemen anymore, not do we refer to airline 
>>> > attendants as airline hostesses. The world is changing and OSM should adapt to these 
>>> > changes if there is enough interest from the OSM community.
>>> 
>>> As I mentioned in another email, we do use terms such as midwife.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Niels Elgaard Larsen
>>> 
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