[Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

[Jez Nicholson]

I have the opposite conclusion about fee=yes/no.

These are free-to-use short-term car parks that have a clause to prevent
people from 'misusing' them for office parking, etc. I would expect a free
car park to be fee=no + a warning of charge after long stay.

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 00:01 Andrew Harvey, <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I agree these are very common arrangements.
>
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 07:46, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I am not usually mapping this detail of parking fees, but from my
>> understanding the above suggested tags would work and could be seen as
>> covered by current state of tagging, no need for a proposal, just use it.
>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/fee%3Aconditional#values
>>
>
> I agree, I wouldn't think it needs a proposal since I thought it's already
> covered by the current :conditional and maxstay schemes.
>
>
>> as a note, I believe we should "err on the safe side", i.e. better
>> A)
>> fee=yes
>> fee:conditional = no @ maxstay < 3h
>>
>> than B)
>> fee = no
>> fee:conditional = yes @ maxstay > 3h
>>
>> I think I would ignore the maxstay==3h condition, ;-)
>>
>
> I agree, generally I think of these as paid parking, but with the
> exception that if you stay for a short time it's free, as opposed to being
> free parking but if you overstay the parking they charge you a fee (the
> latter would be more like a fine for going over the limit, but rather this
> is usually just a grace period for not needing to pay).
>
> I've came to the same conclusion in the past where I tagged
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23024004#map=19/-33.79813/151.18415
>
> Taginfo says 9 things tagged like this already
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/fee%3Aconditional=no%20(maxstay%3C2%20hours)
>  +
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/fee%3Aconditional=no%20(maxstay%3C3%20hours)
>
> This is also the syntax I suggested for the streetcomplete quest at
> https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete/issues/102#issuecomment-687761605
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxstay recommends to always add
> a unit (unlike maxspeed, maxheight, maxweight which all have default units)
> and all the examples use expanded terms in English eg "hours" instead of
> "h" or "hr". Any good data consumer would want to parse out all the
> variants, so I wouldn't complain if you used "h" instead of "hours" but
> would be nicer if there was only one way to tag it, so I'd prefer to stick
> with the full term like on the wiki "hours".
>
> Unless there is disagreement we can just add this example to the wiki.
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