[Tagging] Tagging from fire_service_areas - landuse:emergency

Wed Oct 28 05:51:16 UTC 2020

Hello Supaplex

Thank you very much for your explanation for others. It's exactly what I meant. It's areas especially designed for emergency vehicles, e.g a ladder which will reach most of the areas from a bulding. I think parking would be the wrong approach, because it's not really a parking, more a working are. I like emergency=service_area or better emergency=rescue_area.

I made the mentioned military area to the real situation with your taggings: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/860308598
What do you think about?

Kind regards

Christian

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Von: Supaplex <supaplex at riseup.net>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2020 00:40
An: tagging at openstreetmap.org
Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Tagging from fire_service_areas - landuse:emergency

We (or Christian) are talking about areas that must be kept free, especially near buildings, so that fire brigade vehicles can stand and work there in case of an emergency. For example, it is not allowed to park there, no objects may be placed there etc. In German-speaking countries it is very common to find areas that are specially designated for this use (I don't know what the situation is like in other countries). These areas can be e.g. paved areas or just grass, sometimes with surface=grass_paver (these areas must be able to carry vehicles weighing up to 16 tons). I think tagging of these areas is very useful for use by rescue services, as Christian apparently intends to do, or for micro mapping purposes.

How about "emergency = rescue_area" (very rarely in use)? I agree that landuse should not be used in this case, but we have "emergency" for this. For fire fighters access ways there is already "highway = service" + "service = emergency access" in use (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:service%3Demergency_access).

(Another question I ask myself in this context: How do you mark footways/path that serve as fire fighter access - i.e. are designated, suitable and wide enough for this purpose? I have already used "highway = footway" + "motor_vehicle = emergency" in these cases.)

Am 28.10.20 um 00:05 schrieb Robert Delmenico:

I'm not sure what you're referring to but I'll put some options here to

discuss:

Fire districts: used for declaring total for bans in Australia

https://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/warnings-restrictions/find-your-fire-district

Neighbourhood safer places in Victoria - where you can go as a last resort

in a bushfire situation

https://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/neighbourhood-safer-places

There are also administrative fire service regions/districts in Victoria

but there would be minimal value in mapping these.

https://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/about/where-we-are

There are training grounds used solely for training emergency service

personnel

https://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/about/victorian-emergency-management-training-centres

 There is land which the fire stations sit on

amenity=fire_station

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dfire_station

Then there is the fire stations

building=fire_station

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dfire_station

Kind regards,

Rob

On Wed, 28 Oct 2020, 9:20 am Graeme Fitzpatrick, <graemefitz1 at gmail.com><mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com>

wrote:

Hi Christian

On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 at 18:35, Nüssli Christian (SRZ) <

Christian.Nuessli at zuerich.ch<mailto:Christian.Nuessli at zuerich.ch>> wrote:

I wanted to ask you if there's a correct mapping of fire service areas.

That's areas in fire protection guidelines that will be reserved for

emergency vehicles.

Sorry, but what do you mean by "fire service areas", & "reserved for

emergency vehicles"?

Are you referring to fire stations & emergency lanes?

I found quite a few that are tagged as landuse=military which is in my

opinion – the incorrect way.

No, not even knowing for sure what we're talking about, but I can see that

would be wrong!

Thanks

Graeme

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