[Tagging] sleepable:physical=yes/no | Re: Benches and hostile architecture

Rory McCann rory at technomancy.org
Thu Sep 10 18:10:01 UTC 2020

I asked about this ~1½ years ago too (  https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-February/thread.html#43244 ). In the end I thought `sleepable:physical=yes/no` is an accurate tag, and fits the OSM philosophy well (* https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-February/043270.html ) (though I've only added <10 tags for that https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/sleepable%3Aphysical )

I created a simple pic4review misson, which you can duplicate if you want. ( https://pic4review.pavie.info/#/mission/1313 ). You could also suggest a StreetComplete quest

There was some reddit threads:
• https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/avbmsb/is_there_a_preferred_way_of_mapping_possible/https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/8rs7zf/how_to_map_antihomeless_bench/

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, at 6:28 PM, Vucod via Tagging wrote:
> Hello,
> 1) I wish to tag benches that were designed to avoid that someone lie 
> on it. There has been some related discussions in the past 
> (https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/avbmsb/is_there_a_preferred_way_of_mapping_possible/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/8rs7zf/how_to_map_antihomeless_bench/ )
> but with no conclusion. It is possible that it has retained people to 
> map that kind of objects. Today, there is nearly no such information in 
> OSM. Maybe it is because it is not its place? Nobody expressed that 
> clearly. 
> So, I started to use the tag *lying_hindrance=yes* on some benches. In 
> case of doubts, this can be verified when doing surveys, by lying on 
> the bench. This could also be determined most of the time by looking at 
> a few things. The length of the bench, the presence of a slope, the 
> presence of separation between the seats of the bench, and by checking 
> if it is a standing bench. Note that length was refused as an official 
> key for bench and that the key for the separation doesn't exist 
> (armrest does not specifically concern the inner part of the bench). 
> The tag could be extended by specifying the hindrance type: armrest, 
> standing_bench, short_length, slope, ...
> What do you think about this tag? Do you have alternative ideas?
> 2) Also, I wish to map something else related to hostile architecture 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_architecture>. I wish to map 
> devices that are placed near the entrance of shops to prevent people to 
> sit there (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGdHfvsCP7A, 
> https://twitter.com/ArticuleE/status/1222197697333145603, 
> https://twitter.com/ArticuleE/status/1215931276944924672). I was going 
> to add a combination of tags on the building where the shop is located:
> sitting_hindrance=yes 
> sitting_hindrance:location=street_side
> It can also be verified quite easily. A general tag like 
> hostile_architecture={sitting_hindrance|lying_hindrance} would also be 
> quite useful for mappers to rapidly understand the purpose of these 
> tags.
> What do you think about it?
> Thanks for your time
> Vucod
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