[Tagging] RFC - Discourage railway=preserved

Stefan Keller sfkeller at gmail.com
Sun Apr 11 22:30:41 UTC 2021


> There is no good reason to tag preserved narrow gauge with a different tag, just because someone started tagging preserved railways in a weird way long time ago.

It seems to my you delivered a perfect argument to discourage
railway=narrow_gauge then.
And to create a proper subtag for narrow_gauge, wide_gauge, ...  as I proposed.

~Stefan

Am Mo., 12. Apr. 2021 um 00:09 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via
Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org>:
>
> This seems to be a rather half-baked proposal.
>
> We have already railway=narrow_gauge.
>
> There is no good reason to tag preserved narrow
> gauge with a different tag, just because someone
> started tagging preserved railways in a weird way
> long time ago.
>
> Apr 11, 2021, 23:24 by sfkeller at gmail.com:
>
> So, if you want to differentiate construction aspects like
> "narrow-gauge" create a secondary tag (similar to cuisine which is a
> secondary tag to restaurants).
>
> ~Stefan
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Namespace#Over-namespacing_and_Prefix-fooling
>
> Am Mi., 7. Apr. 2021 um 17:28 Uhr schrieb Kai Michael Poppe - OSM
> <osm at poppe.dev>:
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> In case you didn't see, I created a first experiment to fix that with just trying to create parity between both renderings - and I my test with the latest Geofabrik-PBF from DE-NDS (using hstore, no problems on that end), it worked ok (apart from the name not showing correctly): https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4361 - An example with old and new is shown.
>
> Kai
>
> On 07.04.2021 13:48, Jeroen Hoek wrote:
> > On 07-04-2021 12:14, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
> >> Note "Database layout change" part - right now this tag is not in a database
> >> used for rendering :(
> >>
> >> So it may require changing in database import definition and deployment will
> >> be definitely delayed and/or more complicated.
> >>
> >> Though it is also possible that OSM Carto has no need for yet another barely
> >> distinguishable and unclear rendering difference, maybe railway=preserved
> >> special rendering should be dropped?
> > As Marc_marc also noted, I think you can just use the hstore tags column
> > to filter on those (I know this works in my airfield rendering
> > experiment), unless that is not an option because of performance. Do you
> > know who we could ping in that Carto issue to answer that question?
> >
> > Dropping rendering is a choice that the Carto maintainers can make of
> > course. I personally don't have a strong opinion either way (slightly
> > preferring some form of differing rendering), just that rendering the
> > old method but not the new method is undesirable at this point where the
> > new method has superseded the old one.
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