[Tagging] Removing landuse=military from military=barracks

Peter Neale nealepb at yahoo.co.uk
Wed Apr 14 14:43:22 UTC 2021

@Brian:  Thank you for adding to my understanding of US English.
("two nations divided by a common language"!)

    On Wednesday, 14 April 2021, 15:28:55 BST, Brian M. Sperlongano <zelonewolf at gmail.com> wrote:  
 It is also common in US English to refer to an army base as "barracks".  So it can refer to either the base or the actual buildings where soldiers sleep. 
On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 10:26 AM Peter Neale via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

Yes, it is very common , in British English, to refer to an "army base" (US English) as a "Barracks".
An individual building, used for the accommodation of troops, would be called a "barrack block".
An area of land, including one, or more, barrack blocks, a parade square, garages, stores buildings, sports field, etc. would be "the barracks"  e.g Imphal Barracks in York.
A single "barracks" - sorry, but it is considered singular, even though it looks like a plural - can house a unit (a company, squadron, workshop, regiment, battalion... don't start asking about all the different terms for essentially the same size of unit), or the headquarters of a larger formation (division, brigade, etc.)
So, IMHO in OSM you can map a single building (barrack block) as "military=barracks".  If you map several of these that stand within a common area, that area SHOULD be "landuse=military".  I am a little hesitant about adding the landuse to a single, isolated building, but that would be logical - perhaps include a small strip of land around it, if that is justified?  I DO NOT think that we should stack "landuse=military", one inside another by insisting that every "military=barracks" MUST also have a "landuse=military" tag, even if it stands in an area already tagged as "landuse=military".
Regards,Peter(Retired, after 29 years' service in the British Army)

    On Wednesday, 14 April 2021, 13:27:25 BST, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:  

sent from a phone

On 14 Apr 2021, at 02:24, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com> wrote:

Since it has been redefined as "buildings where military personnel live and sleep", it should now only be used on individual, or a group of, buildings, almost invariably found inside a base area. With the current mandatory combination with landuse=military, it means that you have landuse=military + military=barracks nested inside an area of landuse=military + military=base, which is a bit awkward. 

it get’s weirder when the name of the base(?) is then Foo Barracks, e.g. the US Kelley Barracks in Stuttgart:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelley_Barracks
These are not just "buildings where military personnel live and sleep" but include the headquarters of US Africom.
maybe “barracks” is also used for a kind of base in some cases?
Not sure about English, but in German usage the term “Kaserne” (barracks), while literally referring to the sleeping quarters, is used as a generic term for a military base “at home” or maybe at “friends”.
Cheers Martin 
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