[Tagging] Tagging proposals: What's the exact time for start/end?

Peter Elderson pelderson at gmail.com
Wed Apr 21 17:51:38 UTC 2021


Time never runs out. I didn't push for speed, just for clear separate steps: not modeling while voting, not voting while modeling. Keep in mind that the audience changes, too.

Peter Elderson

> Op 21 apr. 2021 om 18:04 heeft David Marchal via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org> het volgende geschreven:
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> Brian had it right. Given the heated debates, the number of votes and the variety of expressed opinions, I plan to take some time after vote closure to write a detailed debriefing report: how many pro and con votes, what were the arguments invoked by voters, their relative popularity, an review of this to find the main blocking points, and ideas for a successful proposal to emerge. Writing this report will likely take me some weeks and I would like it to be as accurate as possible and to not miss late ideas, so I left the proposal open while votes (and debates) still run, in order to gather a maximum number of opinions and propose as sound solutions as possible.
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> Le mercredi, 21. avril 2021 16:49, Brian M. Sperlongano <zelonewolf at gmail.com> a écrit :
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>> Not everyone has the luxury of sitting around watching the clock with our finger poised over the button waiting for the stroke of midnight.  Some of us have jobs, families, etc, and proposal-writing is time-consuming work.  I really don't understand the sense of panic at being a few hours past the post.  I'm sure the author will get around to working through the next steps in due course.  It is not reasonable to expect a new slate of revisions to a multi-page proposal to be promptly ready.  In the meantime, a bit of patience would be a reasonable response here. 
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>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 10:41 AM tracker51 <tracker51 at t-online.de> wrote:
>>> Peter's approach would be much more appropriate for me as well.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> tracker51
>>> 
>>> Peter Elderson schrieb:
>>> > True, but I would prefer a new iteration: updated proposal, new RFC
>>> > round, modeling phase, then re-vote.
>>> >  
>>> > Peter Elderson
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > Op wo 21 apr. 2021 om 15:54 schreef Brian M. Sperlongano
>>> > <zelonewolf at gmail.com <mailto:zelonewolf at gmail.com>>:
>>> > 
>>> >     For most proposals, the majority of the voting happens in the
>>> >     first few days, and just after it's mentioned in the weeklyOSM. 
>>> >     By the time the end of the 2-week period comes around, most
>>> >     people have forgotten it and voting has dwindled off.
>>> > 
>>> >     For this proposal, votes were still rolling in at a healthy pace
>>> >     on the last day of voting, and it's still being debated actively
>>> >     on Telegram groups and in the forums.  Given that the current
>>> >     vote (around 50% in favor/opposed) is far short of the threshold
>>> >     needed for approval, there is absolutely no harm in the author
>>> >     holding it open longer in order to continue to collect
>>> >     information on people's support and/or opposition, in order to
>>> >     inform future attempts/revisions.  I see it as perfectly fine to
>>> >     continue adding votes past the stated end date.  The vote can be
>>> >     officially closed later once activity dries up.
>>> > 
>>> >     On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 9:31 AM tracker51 <tracker51 at t-online.de
>>> >     <mailto:tracker51 at t-online.de>> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> >         Hello,
>>> > 
>>> >         Now that I'm writing this it's April 20, 2021, about 13:27
>>> >         UTC. My
>>> >         question relates to the current proposal
>>> > 
>>> >         boundary=forestry(_compartment) relations.
>>> > 
>>> >         On the related website, one can read the following text:
>>> > 
>>> >         <quote>
>>> >         boundary=forestry(_compartment) relations
>>> >         Voting (under way)
>>> >         Penegal
>>> >         boundary=forestry
>>> >          Tagging scheme for areas used for forestry
>>> >         2020-12-27
>>> >         2021-03-17
>>> >         2021-04-06
>>> >         2021-04-20
>>> >         </quote>
>>> > 
>>> >         As to this it should still be possible to vote. Am I right?
>>> >         Wouldn't
>>> >         it be useful to additionally give the exact time for start
>>> >         and end of
>>> >         proposals? Or is there an explanation anywhere which I
>>> >         haven't found?
>>> > 
>>> >         Best regards
>>> > 
>>> >         tracker51
>>> > 
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