[Tagging] Proposed rewrite Of highway=track wiki page - Third Draft
pelderson at gmail.com
Mon Apr 26 21:38:06 UTC 2021
I only said I am not going to do it. And I am not going to stop any one from doing it.
If it's that important and reasonable, I am sure someone will take this one on. My main worry is not breaking route relations.
> Op 26 apr. 2021 om 23:30 heeft Bert -Araali- Van Opstal <bert.araali.afritastic at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
> There are many Dutch speaking communities outside of the Netherlands. They need a translation for the "global" page, not the local practice in the Netherlands. It is an inappropriate justification not to supply a good translation. If you are in need to reflect local usage in a specific country, you can perfectly do this in local chapter or community wiki pages, in Dutch, specific for the Netherlands. As we do it for English and other languages. Justifying that a translation of the improved description would brake or make local tagging incorrect implies that there is something fundamentally wrong with the local practice, being it wrong interpretation or a non documented local variant.
> It is very bad practice and creates problems in other areas. What if Dutch speakers want to map tracks in other countries ? They refer to the global translated page and read a local practice (variant), applying it in other areas around the world and thus creating conflicts with the local communities there, who do follow global guidelines.
> And this is actually what happens many times, as f.i. in Africa because of lots of confusion and annoyance in the local community with good hearted humanitarian mappers mapping according to their local practices.
> Global practices need to be translated as accurate as possible for global application. Local pages can reflect local variants or amendments, specifically indicating that this tag is used as described only in that specific area or country. So, make a local variant of the current translated page and a new translation for the new improved global one seems to be the only reasonable way forward.
> Bert Araali
> On 20/04/2021 22:35, Peter Elderson wrote:
>> About translation: I'm usually all for Dutch translations, but in this case I'm not going to do it. The reason is that it would invalidate or outdate a lot of tagging in Nederland, where in fact the tracks are unpaved through-roads. They look like tracks (double tracked unpaved and do give access to the land or forest, but they also interconnect larger paved roads and often at the same time give access to housing. Although I agree in principle with the change in definition, but I think means that these track roads are now suddenly unpaved unclassifieds, I am not going to advocate changing it.
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