[Tagging] cyclist profiles - was:Feature Proposal - RFC - value 'basic_network' - cycle_network?

Sebastian Gürtler sebastian.guertler at gmx.de
Wed Dec 1 23:15:57 UTC 2021


> That's "fair," and understandable.  There is no risk of repeating yourself (or myself).  I tell people I newly meet at parties that it takes me four times of hearing their name before I remember it (because it does).  We make a joke out of it, they hear me say MY name at least four times, and by the end of the party, at least we know each other's names.  Let's say things are similar here.  We do seem to struggle to understand each other, I deeply appreciate everybody's patience at extending better understanding.
>
>> It needs a feature by which e.g. a renderer can easily recognize whether
>> the relation / path belongs to type A or type B.
> So, this really IS "tagging for a renderer," right?
Hm, I thought that "tagging for the renderer" (in the negative sense)
meant to use a tagging for an existing rendering scheme and not the
introduction of a tag for the future possible use for rendering - that's
nothing that osm should avoid as rendering geodata into graphics is a
really useful thing to do imho.
>
>> A simple key 'xyz = A' is required
>> and not a key that contains long texts that have to be interpreted.
> No, I don't believe this is correct.  You might believe it is true because of the ease with which "a renderer or router can grab this as a simple 'one-off' parsable string and know definitively that THIS is one of THOSE."  But that is the very definition of "syntactic sugar," something I think OSM (and especially participants in this tagging list) wish to avoid.  Scrupulously avoid.  (Hence what feels like one of the longest threads I've ever seen).
>
>> This
>> key should also not be region-specific.
> Why not?!  It IS region-specific!  We (in the USA) don't have these here.  And why a key, when values will do?

basic_network was suggested as value not as a key. The key
"network:type" is now widely used in Europe, I think initially in the
Netherlands. Used on 107219 relations so far (compared to 13330 with
cycle_network), it's beginning to be used also in the USA... (for a
hiking network in Santa Fe).


Sebastian




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