[Tagging] Cycling infrastructure routes (was Re: cyclist profiles - was:Feature Proposal - RFC - value 'basic_network' - cycle_network?)

[Volker Schmidt]

Andy,

My wording was maybe not precise enough, but my main point was to make
clear that the term "cycleway" in OSM refers to road infrastructure (mainly
or exclusively) dedicated to bicycle traffic, and not to the objects that
we describe as cycle routes in OSM.
I am familiar with the different shades of cycleways, in particular in
Italy, and I am not referring to the German wiki pages.
I am fully aware of the confusion between the terms, which is present also
in cyclists' association or even in government documents.
At the practical level of mapping, I follow the JOSM presets, trying to
"project" the Italian "hardware" categories on the OSM terms, as defined in
the English wiki using JOSM presets.
(this refers specifically to the fact, that in Italy cycle lanes (in OSM)
that are separated from the motorized-traffic lanes by a continuous line,
are called "pista ciclabile" (the same term used for separate cycleways),
even though most people call them "corsia ciclabile" (cycle lane).

Volker

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 00:26, Andy Townsend <ajt1047 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/12/2021 21:32, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> > Have a look at the highway=cycleway wiki page. That is my reference.
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway most
> definitely disagrees with your earlier statement "A cycleway in OSM
> speak is road for exclusive use by cyclists".  It actually says
> "Different countries have their own rules as to whether foot access is
> allowed by default on cycleways", which I believe is correct.
>
> I suspect that you may be reading
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:highway%3Dcycleway (machine
> translation -
>
> https://wiki-openstreetmap-org.translate.goog/wiki/DE:Tag:highway%3Dcycleway?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB
> ) which says in translation "Since no other road users are usually
> allowed, any signposted exceptions must be explicitly stated".
>
> I suspect that the German-language page is correct if it is presumed
> only to apply to cycleways in Germany and other countries with similar
> rules, but the English-language page is "more correct" in saying that
> access rules vary internationally.  It's not the first time where
> different language pages in OSM's wiki disagree with each other, and I'm
> sure it won't be the last.
>
> To paraphrase the old joke, it's a mistake to use the OSM wiki like a
> drunk uses a lamppost - for support rather than illumination.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
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