[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop as post-partner

[Georg]

Am 2021-02-16 um 14:40 schrieb Paul Allen:

> What you describe in terms of function does not sound like a post office
> to me.

Exactly that's why the proposal is here and exactly that's the point why
so many Germans hesitate to tag them as amenity=post_office! But we have
no other, well matching tag, i.e. we can either have them not mapped at
all or mapped as amenity=post_office. That's why the proposal is here.

> What you describe in terms of function sounds very much like
> https://www.collectplus.yodel.co.uk/click-and-collect
> <https://www.collectplus.yodel.co.uk/click-and-collect>
> Shops offering those services are not considered post offices in the UK.

Neither in Germany - see above.

As fas as I saw on yodel's website, they do only offer to pick up
parcels - this is just a fraction of the services that are commonly
offered by the post/courier/logistics/whateverYouCallThem partner shops
in DE, SE etc.

> Either these are post offices or they are not.  If they are post offices
> then map them as such.  If they are not post offices then find some
> different tag name that does not have "post" or "postal,"

I understood that you "just" reject that the word "post" is part of the
key name because that word's British English meaning does not describe
that thing we want to descibe/tag, and British English is the reference
for OSM. Please help to find a better wording, see also below.

> Those partners will merely be couriers.

English is not my mother tongue (just like for others involved in thr
proposal), hence, I don't know the fine differences between "post" and
"courier". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courier explains
 > Couriers are distinguished from ordinary mail services by features
 > such as speed, security, tracking, signature, specialization and
 > individualization of express services, and swift delivery times,
 > which are optional for most everyday mail services. As a premium
 > service, couriers are usually more expensive than standard mail
 > services,

So the "service providers" we are talking about (Hermes, DPD,
arriva,...) are definitely less (!) courier service providers than
DHL/DeutschePost, as most of them are cheaper, offer less additional
services, offer at least not shorter delivery times, etc.

So what other, less misleading wording could we use? Logistics, Delivery
services, Messengers etc. Please let's keep a _short and consolidated_
list in
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/shop_as_post-partner#Term_post_or_other_terms


> That said, your insistence that these things be mapped as
> attributes rather than POIs baffles me.  The information will
> not be visible to most data consumers so may as well not be
> there.  If I can't see it on the map, it doesn't exist as far as
> I'm concerned because I'll never know it's there.

First, we did set as basic rule that we do not map for renderers.

Second, we have the same issue for other things as well, e.g. cross
country pistes are not rendered by default in most maps, but _only_ the
summer use as a meadow or forestry track. And we have solutions to this:

Third, many data consumers like maps.me, OsmAnd, Locus,... offer
multiple themes dedicated for specific purposes, e.g. summer outdoor
sports, winter, city,... And there are many websites dedicated for
specific purposes. So you can see it.

Last, many data consumers like maps.me, OsmAnd, Locus,... but also OSM
map website are able to search + filter for tags, so you can find it.

Greetings, Georg