[Tagging] Proposed feature - Voting - electricity

Lukas Richert lrichert at posteo.de
Sat Jan 2 18:35:10 UTC 2021

Let's not be needlessly pedantic - sure 95% probably also works. The 
point is, compared to the age of the map, this will be a relevant 
feature for a significant amount of time, at least in some countries. If 
the feaure is not advertised anymore, the tag dies out on its own.

On 02/01/2021 15:55, Paul Allen wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 at 14:32, Lukas Richert <lrichert at posteo.de 
> <mailto:lrichert at posteo.de>> wrote:
>     When a country completely switches to renewable energies in their
>     grid, I would be overjoyed to completely delete the
>     electricity:grid:origin tags in that region.
> So you think it necessary to wait for 100% renewable on the grid?
> 99.99999% is not good enough?  How about 99%?  98%? Where
> do you draw the line on that?
> In reality, the point where the tag can be removed is when nobody
> advertises the source any more.  And that will come long before
> 100% (or 98%) switchover on the grid.  At some point there is
> no financial return to be had from advertising renewable sources,
> when non-renewable sources are a rare exception.  That point
> will actually be even earlier than that, when renewables are
> common enough that the gains from advertising renewable
> sources fall short of the costs of the advertising.
>     Most countries are aiming for this to occur by 2050 with many
>     still falling
> China recently changed the game.  It realized it was now cheaper to use
> renewables than non-renewables, so committed to a shorter timescale.
> Economies of scale from China alone mean that renewable costs,
> already cheaper than non-renewable, will fall even more.  There's
> a reason Exxon-Mobil is no longer in the Dow Jones 30-stock
> benchmark: it's not going to be a big profit maker in the future
> so people are no longer paying a lot for the stock.
> Advanced countries with competent leadership are starting to follow
> China's lead as they realize there's a large manufacturing industry
> developing that will be based in China unless they set up their own
> industries.  They either compete with China now or buy the hardware
> from China for a long time to come.
> We have reached a tipping-point in the climate change crisis: the one
> where it's cheaper RIGHT NOW to do something than not do
> something.  Future returns are not great drivers: "Do something
> now or you'll regret it in 30 years because of the expense of
> dealing with severe climate change" doesn't influence markets
> much.  "Do it now and you'll make money now" is a great driver.
> I don't see this tag having a long life.
> -- 
> Paul
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