[Tagging] Proposed feature - Voting - electricity

Brian M. Sperlongano zelonewolf at gmail.com
Sat Jan 2 19:00:39 UTC 2021

I was under the impression that the purpose of tagging the electricity
source was for electricity consumers that wished to discern between green
energy and fossil fuel-supplied energy (or some other characteristic which
might influence their decision) when "shopping", if you will, for a
point-of-use electricity provider.

However, if an entire region or country has their electricity supplied by a
common source, I would not be in favor of mapping every single electric
outlet with this fact.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 1:37 PM Lukas Richert <lrichert at posteo.de> wrote:

> Let's not be needlessly pedantic - sure 95% probably also works. The point
> is, compared to the age of the map, this will be a relevant feature for a
> significant amount of time, at least in some countries. If the feaure is
> not advertised anymore, the tag dies out on its own.
> On 02/01/2021 15:55, Paul Allen wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 at 14:32, Lukas Richert <lrichert at posteo.de> wrote:
>> When a country completely switches to renewable energies in their grid, I
>> would be overjoyed to completely delete the electricity:grid:origin tags in
>> that region.
> So you think it necessary to wait for 100% renewable on the grid?
> 99.99999% is not good enough?  How about 99%?  98%?  Where
> do you draw the line on that?
> In reality, the point where the tag can be removed is when nobody
> advertises the source any more.  And that will come long before
> 100% (or 98%) switchover on the grid.  At some point there is
> no financial return to be had from advertising renewable sources,
> when non-renewable sources are a rare exception.  That point
> will actually be even earlier than that, when renewables are
> common enough that the gains from advertising renewable
> sources fall short of the costs of the advertising.
>> Most countries are aiming for this to occur by 2050 with many still
>> falling
> China recently changed the game.  It realized it was now cheaper to use
> renewables than non-renewables, so committed to a shorter timescale.
> Economies of scale from China alone mean that renewable costs,
> already cheaper than non-renewable, will fall even more.  There's
> a reason Exxon-Mobil is no longer in the Dow Jones 30-stock
> benchmark: it's not going to be a big profit maker in the future
> so people are no longer paying a lot for the stock.
> Advanced countries with competent leadership are starting to follow
> China's lead as they realize there's a large manufacturing industry
> developing that will be based in China unless they set up their own
> industries.  They either compete with China now or buy the hardware
> from China for a long time to come.
> We have reached a tipping-point in the climate change crisis: the one
> where it's cheaper RIGHT NOW to do something than not do
> something.  Future returns are not great drivers: "Do something
> now or you'll regret it in 30 years because of the expense of
> dealing with severe climate change" doesn't influence markets
> much.  "Do it now and you'll make money now" is a great driver.
> I don't see this tag having a long life.
> --
> Paul
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