[Tagging] Highway=rest_area on bicycle or foot routes ?

Peter Elderson pelderson at gmail.com
Sat Jan 2 21:41:17 UTC 2021

In Nederland, rest means rest. Facilities and amenities may be present, may
be not. Usually indicated, not implied.

Peter Elderson

Op za 2 jan. 2021 om 22:31 schreef Joseph Eisenberg <
joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>:

> Should we remove the reference to "turn-outs" or "lay-bys" from that page?
> In North American English a "turn-out" is a place where you can stop your
> motor vehicle for a few seconds to allow other vehicles to overtake, or you
> might stop there for a few minutes to take a phone call. Usually there are
> no services of any kind:
> https://driversed.com/driving-information/driving-techniques/turnout-areas.aspx
> - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/turnout "
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/turnout" or "a railroad
> siding".
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnout mentions that a turnout can be a
> lay-by, pull-out or parking space, though it can also apparently mean a
> "rest area" in British English. I can't find that definition in a
> dictionary directly, but wiktionary says "turnout" is a synonym for
> "lay-by" which is defined as "A paved
> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/paved> area at the side of a highway
> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/highway> designated for drivers
> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/driver> to stop in, for emergency
> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/emergency> parking, or where vehicles
> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vehicle> can wait, with larger lay-bys
> possibly having facilities like food vendors
> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vendor> or public telephones
> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/telephone>."
> So some "lay-by" areas might qualify as a rest area, but others are just
> temporary parking spots, like a turnout.
> As an American, if I were visiting Europe, I would hope to find toilets at
> a "rest area", since that is expected here and "rest" is often a euphemism
> for "using the toilet" by urinating or defecating, e.g. in "rest room"
> (toilet). Is that assumption wrong in any other countries?
> -- Joseph Eisenberg
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 9:02 AM ael via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> wrote:
>> On Sat, Jan 02, 2021 at 02:03:33PM +0000, Jeremy Harris wrote:
>> > On 02/01/2021 13:36, Paul Allen wrote:
>> > > it would be nice to have a good way of indicating those short lengths
>> of
>> > > road are a layby.
>> >
>> > Just stick a node on the road with "amenity=parking" "parking=layby" ?
>> Or just parking=layby ?
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.41854&mlon=-4.22789#map=19/50.41854/-4.22789
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1557202283
>> I have just checked the latest josm, and confirmed that there is no tag
>> for layby. Looking at
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=rest_area
>> I see
>> "These areas are also commonly referred to as rest stops, turnouts, or
>> lay-bys." [snip]
>> "In the UK, lay-bys are marked with a blue-background "P" symbol,
>> identical to that used for parking areas. The most common variety is a
>> simple, ..." [1]
>> So that wiki page includes laybys as rest_areas, so the josm authors can
>> perhaps be forgiven for thinking that there is no (need for) a
>> separate layby tag.
>> But I think the vast majority of UK mappers would disagree.
>> I think parking=layby is quite well established, but perhaps
>> a subtag rest_area=layby might fit. I think I have done that before now.
>> But it would be good to come to some agreement, update the wiki and
>> ask the editor authors to include laybys in their presets.
>> [1] Not all laybys are marked with a blue-background "P" .
>> ael
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