[Tagging] Cartpath RFC

Brian M. Sperlongano zelonewolf at gmail.com
Sun Jan 3 01:52:33 UTC 2021


Here is a web page from a random golf course in the UK:

https://www.prestwickgc.co.uk/visitors/general-information/

It decidedly uses the term "cart".

>From what I've read "golf car" is a term preferred by the manufacturers.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 8:22 PM Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm an American, so I've only heard of "golf carts." Can we confirm that
> the term "golf car" is widely used in Britain and also in other countries
> where British-influenced English is spoken, e.g. India, Australia,
> Singapore, New Zealand etc?
>
> The British dictionaries I can find mainly mention "golf cart" or "golf
> buggy", and have no results for "golf car":
>
> https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/golf-cart?q=golf+cart
> https://www.lexico.com/definition/golf_cart
> https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/british/golf-cart
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/golf_cart
>
> In this British English corporus there is only 1 results for "golf car",
> but 11 results for "golf cart", and 2 results for "golf buggy".
> https://www.english-corpora.org/bnc/
>
> It's possible that "golf buggy" is somewhat common in Britain, but "golf
> car" seems quite rare.
>
> -- Joseph Eisenberg
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 4:44 PM Seth Deegan <jayandseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Totally agree it's silly. But, standards and uniformity should
>> probably be adopted whenever most convenient (now).
>>
>> The sooner this change is approved:
>>
>>    - the less features will be tagged with the current golf_cart=* tag
>>    - the less issues we'll run into in the future about mappers being
>>    confused about why two proposals approved about a year between each other
>>    use different terminology
>>
>> I'm not really sure how to write up a depreciation schedule but what you
>> described sounds good to me.
>> Could you edit the proposal yourself and add what you described Brian?
>>
>> *Also lol:*
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> lectrician1 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Lectrician1>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 6:21 PM Brian M. Sperlongano <zelonewolf at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Personally I think it's pretty silly to have to change the approved key
>>> golf_cart to golf_car for the sake of British English, especially since
>>> there seemed to be no problem when it was proposed and approved[1] in
>>> 2019.  I assume at this point that there are data consumers that use the
>>> 80,000 current usages of golf_cart=*.
>>>
>>> If we must change the key name just for the sake of changing the key
>>> name  ::eye roll:: , my hope is that this change would include a
>>> deprecation schedule that gives data consumers time to adapt to the new
>>> key.  That should include a mechanical edit to dual-tag existing usages, a
>>> specified period of time where mappers are instructed to dual-tag with both
>>> tags, and a scheduled date in the future on which a second mechanical edit
>>> would remove the original tag.  Perhaps 6 months or a year would be a
>>> sufficient time window.
>>>
>>> Or, we could just leave the golf_cart=* tag alone and live with the fact
>>> that it isn't the Queen's English.
>>>
>>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:golf_cart
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 6:53 PM Seth Deegan <jayandseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The golf car path proposal about replacing the current tagging scheme
>>>> for mapping golf car paths has been updated.
>>>>
>>>> *The changes are:*
>>>>
>>>>    - highway=cart_path -> *highway=golf_car_path*  (Explanation
>>>>    <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/golf_car_path#Why_such_a_long_value.3F>)
>>>>
>>>>    - Depreciate the current golf_cart=* access tag and replace with*
>>>>    golf_car=** (Explanation
>>>>    <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/golf_car_path#golf_cart.3D.2A_-.3E_golf_car.3D.2A>
>>>>    )
>>>>
>>>> *Proposal: *
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/golf_car_path
>>>>
>>>> lectrician1 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Lectrician1>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 7:21 AM Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I need a really strong proposal to convince me to vote for
>>>>> a new top-level highway tag. I would want something that describes the
>>>>> unique characteristics of the road rather than it being specifically for
>>>>> golf carts.
>>>>>
>>>>> For a sub-tag below highway=service I need a less-strong argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020, 00:13 Minh Nguyen, <minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Vào lúc 18:10 2020-12-23, Minh Nguyen đã viết:
>>>>>> > I've left out a lot of details, but hopefully this helps get people
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> > to speed about why the proposal takes the rare step of introducing
>>>>>> a new
>>>>>> > highway=* value. There's an interesting tension here between the
>>>>>> needs
>>>>>> > of editor, renderer, and router developers, but hopefully an
>>>>>> amicable
>>>>>> > solution is possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aside from the technical considerations, apparently some places in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> U.S. go to great lengths to make golf carts a first-class mode of
>>>>>> transportation. Peachtree City, Georgia, has a citywide network of
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> 90 miles of numbered golf cart paths and over 10,000 resident-owned
>>>>>> golf
>>>>>> carts replete with vehicle registration tags. Like most cycleways in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> U.S., the cart paths are multi-use trails that also permit
>>>>>> pedestrians
>>>>>> and cyclists. [1][2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently, the city's cart paths are all tagged as highway=footway
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the golf_cart key, but a dedicated highway=* tag would be more
>>>>>> accurate.
>>>>>> Peachtree City may be an outlier, but there are plenty of other
>>>>>> examples
>>>>>> of golf cart communities where these paths would be considered
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> more than just a feature of the golf course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://peachtree-city.org/216/Paths-Golf-Carts
>>>>>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peachtree_City,_Georgia#Golf_carts
>>>>>> [3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/62098675
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us
>>>>>>
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