[Tagging] Changing proposal process rules - RFC

Colin Smale colin.smale at xs4all.nl
Wed Jan 6 09:04:07 UTC 2021

On 2021-01-06 09:51, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:

> Again: please stop constantly insulting people.

I don't see this as an insult to the people, but as a criticism of the

If we are perceived to have a problem, one of the basic rules for root
cause analysis is to NOT blame a person, but to look for weaknesses in
the process/system that have allowed things to happen. If our wiki is
indeed "of unclear value," for example because we don't make up our
minds whether it is leading or following (prescriptive vs descriptive),
then its current state is not the fault of the well-intentioned and
hard-working contributors, but of the lack of a quality gate / review
process that allows "anything" to go live on the wiki. 

> Jan 6, 2021, 09:45 by tomasstraupis at gmail.com: 
> 2021-01-06, tr, 02:20 Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging rašė: 
> In my opinion we have no trouble with newbies ruining proposal process 
> and I see no reason for adding obstacles and verification process and to make 
> processing vote even more complicated. 
> We have HUGE problems with not necessarily newbies, but people who 
> have no clue in Cartography, GIS or IT, and still are making high 
> impact decisions and even worse - telling newbies how they should do 
> this or that. 
> Experience is something you cannot read in a book. You cannot 
> explain it in a sentence or paragraph. You must well... EXPERIENCE it 
> :-) 
> If voting requirements are too loose, voting will have no 
> credibility as it is now: why should anyone listen to decision made by 
> some random few people who do not understand what they are deciding? 
> If not enough people vote, then there is a reason why. Keeping the 
> low limit is not a solution. 
> I am certainly not going to include such changes in this proposal and 
> will not make such proposal. 
> Then wiki will remain what it is now - a collection of random 
> amateurish thoughts which have absolutely no value or authority. 
> And it will also mean that there will be higher probability of other 
> "wikis" to appear. 
> -- 
> Tomas

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