[Tagging] Changing proposal process rules - RFC

[Lukas Richert]

I agree wholeheartedly that it is a hurdle. I had been editing OSM for 
approx. 4 years before I ever saw any mailing lists. And I too don't 
enjoy seeing hundreds of emails, especially when some threads can get 
quite toxic.

On 07/01/2021 02:06, Seth Deegan wrote:
>
>     This is a con, actually.  Email is the lowest common denominator,
>     and nobody really wants Yet Another Login if they can avoid it. 
>     Sending an email is easy. Really, really easy.  If email is beyond
>     a user's grasp, I legitimately wonder of they have the barest
>     minimum necessary to sign up for an OSM account in the first
>     place, which is an email address.
>
>
> I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree. As I noted, these were /hurdles/ I 
> had to clear when I got into OSM.
>
> _I had never used a mailing list before and found:_
>
>   * The outdated GUI of Mailman v2 to be a pain to sign up.
>   * Constant threads of multiple discussions from multiple people
>     replying to multiple people only using plain-text references a
>     nightmare to follow.
>   * No option to unsubscribe from threads I don't care about (but I
>     would still like to be on the list because I want to see what new
>     threads I /do/ care about).
>   * Email provides little formatting.
>
> On the other hand, I (and probably everyone) discovered the Wiki 
> before the mailing lists.
>
> _In comparison to mailing lists:_
>
>   * Creating an account on a website is /really/ easy.
>   * Following past and current conversation is easy with indentations
>     and dedicated topics (any SNS's conversations are easier
>     to understand than email TBH). With the Structured Discussion
>     Extension, this will be even easier.
>   * I can add what conversations (proposals) I'm interested in to my
>     Watchlist.
>   * Wiki provides *all* the formatting and templates!
>
> Yes, everyone might have an email and is able to perform using it, but 
> does that mean that it's the easiest to understand and most useful? No.
>
> The costs outweigh the benefits of using the Wiki over mailing lists IMO.
>
>     I legitimately wonder of they have the barest minimum necessary to
>     sign up for an OSM account in the first place, which is an email
>     address.
>
> You also said it yourself, an email is required nomatter what system 
> you use.
>
> lectrician1 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Lectrician1>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 6:28 PM Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org 
> <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 6:06 PM Seth Deegan <jayandseth at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jayandseth at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>           *  Creating a Wiki account and immediately being able to
>             edit a Talk page is a lot easier than figuring out how the
>             mailing lists work, signing up using the user-unfriendly
>             UI that sends your password in raw text, worrying about
>             how many people you'll bother if you send a message to a
>             list, if you're sending a message correctly, etc.
>
>
>     This is a con, actually.  Email is the lowest common denominator,
>     and nobody really wants Yet Another Login if they can avoid it. 
>     Sending an email is easy. Really, really easy.  If email is beyond
>     a user's grasp, I legitimately wonder of they have the barest
>     minimum necessary to sign up for an OSM account in the first
>     place, which is an email address.
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