[Tagging] cycleway:lane=advisory

Florimond Berthoux florimond.berthoux at gmail.com
Mon Jan 18 20:46:27 UTC 2021


I agree it's typically access tagging of a lane.
There are two things to tag, one for cars (is it legal to ride on it), and
one for bicycle (is it mandatory to use the lane) :
could be :
cycleway:lane:bicycle=mandatory/advisory (could be simplified with the
actual cycleway:lane=mandatory/advisory)

In France we have the square blue bicycle board for the advisory cycle
lane, and the circle board for mandatory.

And we also have some roads with two cycle lanes but one car lane, where a
car can ride on the cycle lane to cross another car.
I know it's a common cycle infrastructure in Netherland.

Le lun. 18 janv. 2021 à 18:03, Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> a écrit :

> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 10:52 AM Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> it seems that people are adopting the  two-year old tag
>> cycleway:lane=advisory <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway>
>> tag for the new "soft" bike lanes in various countries in Europe.
>> We have them too in Italy. (example 1
>> <https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/uu8fFxtxTsXauu7kZjxxAg>, example 2
>> <https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/7eknhQC31akzOMeO6z9YgD>)
>> My problem is:
>> There is no clear definition in the wiki, but from the wording I assume
>> that their use is not mandatory, hence the tag value "advisory".
>> However the new bike lanes in Italy are not advisory for cyclists, but
>> they are mandatory for cyclists. They are "soft" only for motorised traffic
>> as they can be used also by motorized traffic when the width of the main
>> carriageway is not sufficient.
>> They do have that  problem in common with the "Schutzstreifen" in
>> Germany, which I believe is tagged in the same way.
>> They are  "indirectly" mandatory to cyclists, as cyclists have to use by
>> law the outermost right hand part of the street (that includes the new type
>> of bike lane)
>> So the value "advisory" is wrong.
>> I also found a rejected proposal 2014 for soft_lane
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/cycleway%3Dsoft_lane>(1.3k
>> in Taginfo) against cycleway
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway:lane>=soft_lane
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:cycleway:lane%3Dadvisory&action=edit&redlink=1>
>> (1.2k in Taginfo).
>> This is  similarly woolley as far as language is concerned, but it is at
>> least not outright wrong.
>> This still leaves us, at least in Italy with t problem of retrofitting
>> all existing old-fashioned "hard" cycle lanes
>> <https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/dQt63WuB-LejWOhOgqtJ6g> with something
>> like cycleway:lane=hard I don't dare to count them.
>> To make things worse in Italy, these "hard" cycle lanes are called "pista
>> ciclabile"  in the highway code with the effect that there are some cycle
>> lanes that are tagged as cycleways.
> Maybe we're over thinking this and we should start moving towards focusing
> more on access tagging for lanes.
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Florimond Berthoux
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