[Tagging] Recycling of PET beverage bottles

[Raphael]

>  > He thinks that contributors are not aware of the difference between
> plastic bottles and PET beverage bottles
>
> That's not correct. I wrote that mappers are not aware that there are
> two different tags now and will continue to use the tagging they are
> used to. And this tagging will be wrong in many cases, so it has to be
> checked in detail.

I'm sorry that I misrepresented your comment. That was not
intentional, but inaccurate reading.

Some of the places i changed were tagged recycling:PET while otheres
were tagged recycling:plastic_bottles. So it seems that there is
already some confusion (probably due to the lack of a suitable tag)
and that these places need to be resurveyed anyway.

> This is all fine, but there is still a problem.
> There are two well-known tags (plastic_bottles and PET) which are in use
> since years and which got partially replaced by the new tag. So,
> everybody who searches for plastic_bottle as they did in the past years
> now misses POIs because this tag was removed and replaced by the new
> PET_drink_bottles. E.g. https://openrecyclemap.org/way/266776739 is not
> listed as accepting plastic bottles any more.

Or maybe these people are happy now because now they only find places
where they can really return plastic bottles?

> There should be a page for this key (at least a redirect to the main
> recycling page), so that all the tools (e.g. JOSM - right-click on Tag -
> Wiki or Taginfo) can show the page with the definition.
> [...]
> I think that newly introduced tags should be at least announced here on
> the mailing list - clearly there is no need for a full proposal and
> voting in cases like this, but a simple email would help a lot.

Okay, next time i create a new tag i'll write a wiki page and write a
message to this mailing list (and inform Weekly OSM as proposed by
Yves).

On Sun, 23 May 2021 at 11:08, Jan Michel <jan at mueschelsoft.de> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Raphael,
>
> On 22.05.21 23:05, Raphael wrote:
>  > In my opinion, it is useful to know which recycling facilities only
> accept PET beverage bottles and with facilities also accept other
> plastic bottles (and which facilities accept PET in general or plastic
> in general).
>
> Yes, absolutely. It makes a lot of sense to have this distinction.
>
>  > He thinks that contributors are not aware of the difference between
> plastic bottles and PET beverage bottles
>
> That's not correct. I wrote that mappers are not aware that there are
> two different tags now and will continue to use the tagging they are
> used to. And this tagging will be wrong in many cases, so it has to be
> checked in detail.
>
>
>  > i asked on the wiki if a new tag should be used for PET beverage
> bottles. [2] One contributor answered me and recommended me to do so.
> I've then started to use the tag recycling:PET_drink_bottles=*, which i
> documented on the wiki. [3]
>
> This is all fine, but there is still a problem.
> There are two well-known tags (plastic_bottles and PET) which are in use
> since years and which got partially replaced by the new tag. So,
> everybody who searches for plastic_bottle as they did in the past years
> now misses POIs because this tag was removed and replaced by the new
> PET_drink_bottles. E.g. https://openrecyclemap.org/way/266776739 is not
> listed as accepting plastic bottles any more.
>
>
>
>  > In my opionion, contributors that are interested in recording
> recycling facilities are aware of these differences (as most people
> using these facilities are, too). Besides, the name of the tags are
> clear and they are clearly definied on the wiki.
>
> No mapper checks the Wiki for changes every time they add a tag
> somewhere or look up some data in the database. There was a mail about
> the changes sent by the Wiki to very few people - only those who have
> this page on their watchlist AND visited it since the last change of the
> page, i.e. within 25 hours before your addition.
>
> Additionally, this is just one line in a huge table which can be missed
> easily (like it is done for most other recycling tags, unfortunately).
> There should be a page for this key (at least a redirect to the main
> recycling page), so that all the tools (e.g. JOSM - right-click on Tag -
> Wiki or Taginfo) can show the page with the definition.
>
> This is no critical issue about your particular change in tagging, but
> more about the general fact that important changes to tags are edited
> very silently in the Wiki and it takes ages for other mappers to notice.
> I think that newly introduced tags should be at least announced here on
> the mailing list - clearly there is no need for a full proposal and
> voting in cases like this, but a simple email would help a lot.
> E.g. those people working on presets in editors should be aware of it -
> after all they are the ones who "spread the word" to the typical mapper
> who is not too involved with tagging details.
>
> Jan
>
>
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