[Tagging] internment camps, prisons, refugee sites etc.

[Mateusz Konieczny]

I also think that amenity=prison is likely a good idea

- border between them can be extremely fuzzy and political and there is huge variety here[0]
- I would not consider "people in prison are held there for legitimate reason"
  as part of definition, and it seems that amenity=prison would not imply anything strong
- amenity=prison is supported already in many places

I would use some extra tagging to convey this extra info, prison=internment_camp
seem a good idea.

[0] it varies from blatantly fake accusations, extreme delay before trial starts,
people held due to fictional psychological issues, claims of national security,
people accused of breaking unjust/oppressive laws, various "it is totally not
a prison" varieties, reedecuation centers etc etc

Distinguishing that in top level tag seems to be a recipe for having far too many tags
and answering very tricky classification issues (that cannot be fully avoided,
but having such classification in top level tag would make things worse)

Nov 1, 2021, 04:07 by joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com:

> Re: "tagging for places where people are held against their will"
>
> Since we use the same tag for jails and prisons (amenity=prison) for "> A prison or jail where people are incarcerated", some of which are prison camps (e.g. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_prisons#Federal_prison_camps> ), I don't see a problem with using amenity=prison for these camps.
>
> Perhaps add prison=internment_camp to specify what time of amenity=prison it is? 
>
> This is already a key prison_camp=* which seems to mostly be used for historical, abandoned concentration camps, see > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/prison_camp#overview
>
> - Joseph Eisenberg
>
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 3:28 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <> dieterdreist at gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>> Trying to find suitable tags for internment camps, it seemed we do not have anything established: >> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=internment#values
>>
>> Although the physical place may resemble a prison, I believe such sites should get distinct tagging from prisons to avoid confusion.
>>
>> First idea was amenity=internment_camp, but this would be unfortunate as it would not allow to combine the tag with other tags, e.g. amenity=refugee_site, so maybe man_made=internment_camp would be more suitable?
>>
>> Are you aware of established tagging for places where people are held against their will, without accusations or trial, and which may be operated by the military, but also not?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Martin
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