[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - value 'basic_network' for keys 'network:type', 'lcn' and 'lwn'

[Sebastian Gürtler]

(Sorry sent initally only personally... time to go sleeping I assume)


>     Concerning the rendering you already got some answers.
>     waymarkedtrails.org <http://waymarkedtrails.org> seems to use only
>     the relations and ignores completely ways - practically I only use
>     waymarkedtrails not the opencyclemap. The information about the
>     infrastructure of a way is quite useless on longer distances for
>     you have to check the map til the end, whether the infrastructure
>     is interrupted.
>
> This I don't get. For what purpose do you have to check the map til
> the end? Are you planning a route by looking at the lines? AFAIK
> Waymarkedtrails does not route and does not let you draw a route.
>
>     And you have sometimes a lot of possibilities which route you
>     could take, sometimes cycle lanes plus allowed use of the
>     footpath. Which of these would belong to the network, which one
>     you would tag with a network tag.
>
> That sounds like you could use a routing application like cycle.travel
> <http://cycle.travel>. The fact that waymarkedtrails, opencyclemap and
> cycle.travel <http://cycle.travel> render route relations with some
> form of highlighting, explains why you started to use route relations
> as collections to express the preference. The move to network
> relations containing all the ways also removes the rendering, but if
> at the bottom of the network piramid are route relations, the
> rendering is there again.

;-) well there are things of my personal taste... I ride quite far
distances visiting friends and so, resulting in quite late trips in the
dark. Therefore I prefer the official routes with the strongly
reflecting route markers, where I can relatively rely on quite suitable
and less dangerous routes for the bicycle. The data on OSM is still
quite bad (and even worse in google maps) so you get quite bad routes
with very dangerous passages it you trust them. The official bicycle
network is neither fully available at the official websites of the state
(because these sites are horribly outdated) nor in openstreetmap (also
outdated, still many missing routes and many routes that don't exist any
more).

So I don't use any router. I just use the map. And I correct it at any
place where I find mistakes. The tiles of waymarkedtrails simply have a
strong contrast, I want to find my way even in the sun.

I have the imagination that we once could have a database about the
bicycle network where you could make up nice maps as well routings
inside the bicycle network. The maps are getting better at the moment,
routing could be possible if there was a clear tagging scheme. At the
moment no router is able to create routes on the official bicycle
network (The funny thing is: https://www.radroutenplaner.nrw.de/ is
supposed to do the job... but the state has obviously no access to
actual data... not only now in times of corona but obviously over the
last decade as you can see if you compare the data at nrw.de with e.g.
mapillary... It think it is because the districts create routes in the
network and make a lot of signposting and changing routes, but don't
transfer the data to the central database... I know about the city of
Bielefeld that meanwhile the authorities also use openstreetmap to work
on their geodata...)


Sebastian


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