[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - value 'basic_network' for keys 'network:type', 'lcn' and 'lwn'

Peter Elderson pelderson at gmail.com
Thu Nov 18 23:20:11 UTC 2021


I think it's about regular on the road bicycle riding, and about
straightforward bicycle guideposts with hands indicating end destinations
and local destinations, with distances.

In Germany, in between the guideposts, when all regular cyclists are
suppose to change direction, just a shield with a red or green cycling
symbol and an arrow is used indicating where to go. This is not a
mandatory thing or an acces thing; It just says: we have chosen this way
for comfortable cycling.
(Named routes and themed routes can take a different turn, but if the
special route symbol waymarking is absent, I think they are also supposed
to follow the red or green bicycle sign).

There are many more ways where you can cycle, but only he Chosen Ones get
this particular style of signposting. So the basic idea is to somehow put
that in the mapping, then data users can show it on maps and use it for
preferred routing.

The signage authorities just want to guide (and channel) the cyclists in a
clear way, provided the cyclist knows where he wants to go. Themed routes,
Named longdistance routes, numbered or named touristic routes and loops are
accommodated in the integrated signage style of the guideposts, but they
are separate routes: "real" recreative prescribed routes, where the route
is the goal.

I am sure many countries have comparable traffic guiding and channeling
systems. I know for a fact many cities and city regions do. The use of
general purpose cycling preference symbol, I have seen that only in Germany
and parts of Belgium.

Hm I don't know if I am saying this right, and I m not sure at all that it
makes things clearer...

Fr Gr Peter Elderson


Op do 18 nov. 2021 om 23:14 schreef stevea <steveaOSM at softworkers.com>:

> A component of this that feels "missing" to me is:  what do the
> governments who put up the signs (or maybe they are not governments, but
> NGOs instead) call these things?  Do they define a "network" by this
> signage?  Do they define "a route" or "routes" or "a node-oriented network
> of routes?"  Perhaps even something different from those which you
> characterize as "basic_network?"  Is part of my / others / our problem that
> the creators of this "bicycle thing expressed with signs" is itself vaguely
> defined?
>
> I read it (in English), I look at the pictures of signs and diagrams of
> "something" in the Proposal and while I straddle both of Volker's and
> Peter's confusion and "some emerging clarity but maybe not all the way
> there yet" it still seems vague.  What I mean by that is that it doesn't
> fit into the "basic, existing concepts" of how such a thing logically maps
> to OSM's data structures of nodes, ways and relations.  Again, there is
> bicycle infrastructure tagging and there are at least two kinds of bicycle
> route tagging — on-road and off-road/mtb.  These are quite different
> tagging schemes from one another, which complement each other and have good
> reasons for existing as the precise set of tags they are and are both
> documented as and rendered as.  Yet I still can't say whether this is "one
> of those" or "something else altogether."  And I need to know.
>
> With "basic_network," and I'm trying, I really am burning some brain cells
> on this, it hasn't really yet gone from sparky ignition to fully burning in
> my mind.  I don't know if that is because the concept is poorly articulated
> by the creators of "it" (the thing, or the collection of things that make
> up the whole), maybe government maybe NGO.  I don't know if it is because
> while the Proposal tries, it started in another language and culture and
> simply is difficult to articulate to those who are not part of that
> culture.  I don't know if it is because it really doesn't logically map
> well (as a concept) to OSM's existing data structures, and after all, we
> are a database which wishes to logically map the real world.  But I and
> others remain a bit lost or bewildered even as we try, have a very open
> mind and are articulate (even loquacious!) with the concepts being
> "uttered" here.
>
> The ball is certainly being kicked down the field towards the goal, but
> not quite a goal yet.  I'm not a referee, I'm a fan and I'm cheering.
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